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1 posted on 03/28/2005 5:12:15 PM PST by Valin
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To: Valin

Time to get it up! Everyday their is a post/article that shows where our country is going. Innocent/disabled people have no rights. Murdering scumbags are afforded all the protection of our laws!!!!.


2 posted on 03/28/2005 5:17:42 PM PST by rocksblues (First there was Terri, whose next? You, me, your child, your wife?)
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To: Valin

Hmmm, it seems just to me if the judicial tyrants shared his life sentence.


5 posted on 03/28/2005 5:25:02 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: Valin

I do not understand the reasoning in this case. Jurors are going to be regular people. Some will be religious. Some will be non-religious. They are supposed to discuss things on the basis of their own morality and experience and come to a conclusion as a group. Are religious people not to consider their religious teaching and morality when deciding court cases? That's absurd!


6 posted on 03/28/2005 5:25:37 PM PST by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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To: Valin

Unbelievable! The Supreme Dorks of Colorado by a vote of 3 to 2 ruled that presence of a Bible in jury deliberations "may" have persuaded jurors? Time to recall these idiot so-called judges.


8 posted on 03/28/2005 5:26:04 PM PST by afnamvet (31st Fighter Wing Tuy Hoa AB RVN 68-69 "Return With Honor")
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To: Valin

"They went to the Bible to find out God's position on capital punishment,'' she said." Obviously they should gone to the aclu. {Yes I am yelling}.


9 posted on 03/28/2005 5:27:53 PM PST by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: Valin
During oral arguments before the Supreme Court last month, defense attorney Kathleen Lord said the jurors had gone outside the law. ``They went to the Bible to find out God's position on capital punishment,'' she said.

But reading the liberal Satanic Bible would be encouraged and well within the law. Maybe if the jurors were to have an abortion as a sacrifice, they'd be forgiven.

(When the 10 Commandments are removed from the public square, their opposites move in to fill the void)

10 posted on 03/28/2005 5:28:37 PM PST by concerned about politics (Vote Republican - Vote morally correct!)
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To: Valin
The Colorado Supreme Court on Monday threw out the death penalty in a rape-and-murder case because jurors had studied Bible verses such as ``eye for eye, tooth for tooth'' during deliberations.

In other words, justice is now politically incorrect.

13 posted on 03/28/2005 5:30:11 PM PST by concerned about politics (Vote Republican - Vote morally correct!)
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To: Valin

I teach Sunday School, and try to drive into those little heads full of mush certain basic principles of Christianity. Are my students to be excluded from a jury because they are (hopefully) no longer ignorant of the Bible?


16 posted on 03/28/2005 5:33:23 PM PST by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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To: Valin

Sounds like it's time for jury confidentiality rules. Here in Canada, a juror can be jailed for discussing the case or the deliberations outside the jury room.


18 posted on 03/28/2005 5:34:55 PM PST by Squawk 8888 (End dependence on foreign oil- put a Slowpoke in your basement)
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To: Valin

already dragged thru the dirt here.

"Not a bright move by the jurors."

I see that someone on this thread understands the law. Jurors are prohibited from bringing ANY outside materials into their deliberations; they are supposed to rely solely on the testimony they have heard and on the judge's instructions. You can't bring in a Bible, a law textbook, Time magazine - nothing. This ruling has nothing to do with anti-Bible or anti-Christian sentiment. The jurors who did this were idiots.

16 posted on 03/28/2005 2:45:16 PM CST by Steve_Seattle

19 posted on 03/28/2005 5:35:33 PM PST by Delta 21 (MKC USCG -ret)
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To: Valin

By this reasoning, all judgments from the time we started having trials in this country, should be thrown out as people are unduly influenced by placing their hand on the Bible and swearing to tell the truth so help them, God.


21 posted on 03/28/2005 5:36:23 PM PST by The Grim Freeper
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To: Valin
defense attorney Kathleen Lord said the jurors had gone outside the law. ``They went to the Bible to find out God's position on capital punishment,''

Isn't this the position of the liberals?

A "living breathing Constitution"?

The US Supreme Court itself is looking outside American law, to other countries laws and customs in their rulings, how would this be different?

True liberals will welcome these kind of deliberations.

25 posted on 03/28/2005 5:45:29 PM PST by RJL
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To: Valin; GatorGirl; maryz; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; livius; goldenstategirl; ...

The division is happening, sheeps to one side, goats to the other.


26 posted on 03/28/2005 5:46:13 PM PST by narses (St James the Moor-slayer, Pray for us! +)
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To: thompsonsjkc; odoso; animoveritas; St. Johann Tetzel; DaveTesla; mercygrace; ...

Moral Absolutes Ping.

(Note: My absence of pinging the list to any more Terri Schiavo threads [for now] does not mean my concern - or yours - is in any way diminished or minimized. IMO this case is a huge turning point, either for good or ill; this remains to be seen.)

Here is a situation where God and scripture are the evil enemy. Jurors - citizens performing the duty that the state has demanded they perform - are absolutely prohibited from using God's law to inform the vital decisions they are called upon to make. Citizens performing jury duty is one of the very foundations of a republic such as ours was meant to be.

Now only atheists, secularists, leftists and the like will be allowed to make public decisions and choices. If a religious believer wants to affect the public life, he or she will have to pretend to be an atheist. IOW, believers in God must go in the closet.

This is not only a terrible disgrace, and completely 180 degrees opposite from what the founders of this country intended, but it is not the worst that it will get.

Just today I was discussing with friends how it happened that more Jews did not escape Germany and its occupied countries while they still had a chance. Of course, it was not possible for all to escape, but more could have.

The answer is this: Most thought that "it can't get any worse" as it got worse. They did not want to leave behind families, homes, traditions, some measure of security or comfort, attachments of one kind or another. Some did not want to think that the repression and cruelty could descend into the pit of hell it did. no doubt some did not think that such raw evil could exist.

Well, folks, I think we're in a similar situation. Not only it can get worse, it will.

Unless those of us who want to be on God's side - regardless of religious sectarianism - get some courage and strength to fight evil.

Let me know if anyone wants (back)on/off this pinglist.


28 posted on 03/28/2005 5:56:50 PM PST by little jeremiah (Resisting evil is our duty or we are as responsible as those promoting it)
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Now, if the jurors had read the Koran, which urges the faithful to all sorts of death-penalty level acts, would the sentence be changed? If so, how?
30 posted on 03/28/2005 6:09:40 PM PST by Old Sarge (In for a penny, in for a pound, saddlin' up and Baghdad-bound!)
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To: .30Carbine
Regime change in the courts!
Impeach activist judges.

34 posted on 03/28/2005 6:34:20 PM PST by TigersEye (Are your parents Pro-Choice? I guess you got lucky! ... Is your spouse?)
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To: Valin
There's an anti-Christian bias apparent in these idiotic rulings. What if the jurors were guided by the Koran in the course of their deliberations? I'd be fascinated to see how liberals resolve that conundrum.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
37 posted on 03/28/2005 6:44:05 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Valin
This country has lost its mind.

There is really no such thing a "jury trial" in this country anymore. All you get are typically a bunch of mindless Oprah watchers who take a "yessur mistah bossman" attitude towards the judge and prosecutor.

And if a jury "slips through" the filter like this one, then the case merely gets tossed out or reversed.

Those statists taking the "you must obey the judge" stance, need to type the words: John Peter Zenger into a search engine.

Stop licking boots and starting reading about your history.

41 posted on 03/28/2005 7:17:46 PM PST by Mulder (“The spirit of resistance is so valuable, that I wish it to be always kept alive" Thomas Jefferson)
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I just read a story about the men on Colorado's death row. I wanted to read more about Robert Harlan. I ended up reading about another case (Frank and Chris Rodriguez) with a very similar crime, the rape and stabbing to death of a woman.

People say you get used to the violence. I don't. I get very mad. I don't want them to die of disease and old age in prison. I want these people executed.

Frank and Chris Rodriguez

Murderers' Row

42 posted on 03/28/2005 7:31:38 PM PST by Daaave ( I'm afraid, Dave. Dave, my mind is going. I can feel it.)
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To: Valin

Oy, they better appeal this one. Or maybe they better not. Digusting, any excuse to let some mudering scum live.


44 posted on 03/29/2005 2:24:43 AM PST by jocon307 (We can try to understand the New York Times effect on man)
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