Posted on 03/28/2005 4:34:13 PM PST by gentlestrength
Liberal Abrams Report started a piece today saying, "Is it time to give parents rights over spouse rights? I say no way."
An older and weaker looking Rev. Robert Schuller sat there via distance camera, looking very somber. "I think you've asked the wrong question."
Abrams scoffed, and smileless Schuller answered, "We have to be intelligent. We don't make an arbitarary statements [like you just did] without qualifictions. We don't just say yes this way or no that way,[as you are doing]; that's not intelligent."
Abrams changed the subject, starting about Terri's husband, and Schuller interrupted: "I can't understand why Michael Schiavo still calls himself a 'husband.' He has been with another woman since 1996 with two children. I do not think he has the love."
Abrams got miffed. Schuller sternly and quickly replied to him, "I did not ask to be on your program. You called me." Abrahms glibly agreed, claiming Schuller's opinion was important and that is why he asked him on.
Schuller continued somberly, "There are three kinds of love: Self-centered, which says 'I love you because I want you.' There is Self-serving love which says 'I love you because I need you.' And then there is self-giving love which says 'I love you because you need me.' We hope that the laws [in our country] will allow people to be receptive to self-giving love. "You can't just say that 'because this is the spouse...' I think you asked the wrong question, framing it as parents over spouse."
Schuller was calmly heated. With seeming great sincerity and anger, Schuller said, "I have never written ANYTHING more important in ALL my books than THIS chapter [about the need for self-giving love]." [Emphasis his].
At which point you hear laughs from Abrams, who attackingly says, "What you're saying now might this fall under self- serving love," gleefully insisting that nothing Schuller was saying could be true, since Schuller wrote it in book and gets money for the book.
They showed a graphic of Schuller's book, "Don't Throw Away Tomorrow," with Schuller's calling out angrily in frustration saying that with what is happening in the Schiavo case, "We are throwing away our future!" and "This is exactly what is happening!"
Abrams quickly closed with "I love my parents, but would never want them to have the final say over my spouse."
" He has been with another woman since 1996 with two children ."
I don't think that concept has yet sunken into Larry King's head.
Last week, when a caller slipped by the screeners and asked Schiavo, who was on LKL about his " common law wife " and 2 children- King stopped the caller and asked Michael ( who looked greatly relieved that LK was rescuing him )-" Why, you and Terri are legally married, aren't you, Michael and have been for what, 20 years ?? "
Abrams was diagnosed with testicular cancer 2 years ago and is single, so it looks like his parents ,as much as that thought upsets him, would be his legal guardians.
I heard Abrams on another show this weekend. I don't understand why people don't understand that Michael is Terri's husband in name only. Legally yes. But is that enough? I think once a man chooses to take up with another woman while his first wife is in Terri's position, he should sign over his legal rights. He clearly has a conflict of interest. All Abrams can think about is his own situation where he is in a loving marriage. That's different.
Well, I have to say that is my spouse left me for another, had two kids with them, then stood to benefit if I died rather than divorced them then I sure as hell wouldn't want them to have a say in if I lived or died. Abrams sounds like a real moron.
mine too!
watch the rebroadcast of the show. i think you will see that Abrams was snickering at Rev Schuller from word one even though he was his invited guest. i found it a bizarre performance by Abrams and wondered what he thought he would derive from it other than many unhappy e-mails.
No, I don't think it was misread. He said (unless it's a typo) that he would not want his parents to have the say over his spouse. That is clearly not what is happening here, it's not Terri's in-laws looking to keep the word of her should-be-former husband from being the only evidence that denies her food and water.
Wolf in lamb's clothing...
"you don't need to turn this thread into another Terri must not die thread"
Why? You're saying Terri MUST DIE? In not trying to save her life, you too are guilty before God.
"Why is someone not a good man for taking a legal position?"
Because, if the law is so poorly written that it allows for an American to get dehydrated to death by a so-called husband, and if the court systems are so bad as to not catch thse errors, YOU ARE NOT A GOOD MAN to take their positions."
Bobby Schindler had a good retort to someone who attacked him on this the other day.
He simply said 50% of marriages end in divorce.
More power to you gentlestrength!
"Was that the entire interview"
The most that I could catch, the general gist of it, and the best I could get the quotations.
ok......bad taste by Abrams.....but does this indicate he is not a good man.....I hope I"m not judged like that on very miniscule evidence
there is a difference though in personal beliefs and judicial beliefs.....if Abrams came on and said he personally thought she should die, then I'd agree....just like abortion.......it is an abhorrent act, but legal...and even if we disdain it, we have to allow it for now....killers of abortion doctors may feel morally justifie but nonetheless, guilty of murder not sanctioned by the law
What does legal have to do with good or bad?
Many things are legal but not right or moral.
"Micheal Schiavo's parents were #1 & #2."
You're right. He murdered them first. Then Terri's cats. Who knows which patients as a nurse he did this to.
I know.....like abortion.....but she/he said he was not a good man for talking a legal position.....not a personal one as far as I know......would you want to be judged by someone for stating what is happening with the law, even though it was not your personal belief???????
YES!!!!!! You can say it much better than I can!!!!
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