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Rev. Schuller vs. Abrams Report: His Finest Hour! Against Michael Schiavo, and For Self-Giving Love
MSNBC TV Abrams Report | 3/28/05 | gentlestrength

Posted on 03/28/2005 4:34:13 PM PST by gentlestrength

Liberal Abrams Report started a piece today saying, "Is it time to give parents rights over spouse rights? I say no way."

An older and weaker looking Rev. Robert Schuller sat there via distance camera, looking very somber. "I think you've asked the wrong question."

Abrams scoffed, and smileless Schuller answered, "We have to be intelligent. We don't make an arbitarary statements [like you just did] without qualifictions. We don't just say yes this way or no that way,[as you are doing]; that's not intelligent."

Abrams changed the subject, starting about Terri's husband, and Schuller interrupted: "I can't understand why Michael Schiavo still calls himself a 'husband.' He has been with another woman since 1996 with two children. I do not think he has the love."

Abrams got miffed. Schuller sternly and quickly replied to him, "I did not ask to be on your program. You called me." Abrahms glibly agreed, claiming Schuller's opinion was important and that is why he asked him on.

Schuller continued somberly, "There are three kinds of love: Self-centered, which says 'I love you because I want you.' There is Self-serving love which says 'I love you because I need you.' And then there is self-giving love which says 'I love you because you need me.' We hope that the laws [in our country] will allow people to be receptive to self-giving love. "You can't just say that 'because this is the spouse...' I think you asked the wrong question, framing it as parents over spouse."

Schuller was calmly heated. With seeming great sincerity and anger, Schuller said, "I have never written ANYTHING more important in ALL my books than THIS chapter [about the need for self-giving love]." [Emphasis his].

At which point you hear laughs from Abrams, who attackingly says, "What you're saying now might this fall under self- serving love," gleefully insisting that nothing Schuller was saying could be true, since Schuller wrote it in book and gets money for the book.

They showed a graphic of Schuller's book, "Don't Throw Away Tomorrow," with Schuller's calling out angrily in frustration saying that with what is happening in the Schiavo case, "We are throwing away our future!" and "This is exactly what is happening!"

Abrams quickly closed with "I love my parents, but would never want them to have the final say over my spouse."


TOPICS: US: Florida
KEYWORDS: abramsreport; husband; michaelschiavo; schiavo; schuller; terrischiavo
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To: northernlightsII

you are right on.......and Glenn from Instapundit sees the legal argument as well and they disagree.....I like them both and neither is mad at the other......that is what I had wished happened here, but as you recall, some of us were called pro death or Nazi's etc for saying only that the law must prevail over anarchy....and NONE of us that I know of want Terri dead but were upset with the Bush bashers and the Randall Terry fringe.....


101 posted on 03/28/2005 6:56:22 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: NorCalRepub

Well the law at all costs crowd was often to be mistaken with the I would not want to live like that and what is the point of living like that crowd.
The latter position has to be fought at all costs.


102 posted on 03/28/2005 7:00:51 PM PST by northernlightsII
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To: Bear_Slayer
We are not to judge. This is judgment with no reason.

An elderly uncle once explained about judging.If you see a man staggering down the street and say he's drunk, you are judging/

If you see a man drink a bottle of liquor and see him staggering down the street and say he is drunk, that is fact.
103 posted on 03/28/2005 7:03:39 PM PST by frannie (don't worry about tomorrow -- God is already there)
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To: freecopper01

I cant stand Abrams, I saw his father once apple didnt fall to far from the tree a complete panty waist the two of them.


104 posted on 03/28/2005 7:12:44 PM PST by Bigfitz (The mind is like a parachute works best when open)
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To: gentlestrength

Does Abrams have some kind of resentment against parents? He kind of sounds that way.


105 posted on 03/28/2005 7:30:18 PM PST by atomicpossum (Replies should be as pedantic as possible. I love that so much.)
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To: freecopper01

I'm surprised at the number of people I've talked to that don't know who Terri is! My daughter in law from Kissimmee called the other day and when I told her what I was watching she said "Who"? Amazing! But my pastors wife sent an email out with a prayer on it and I thought about posting it. Then again, I will send it via through private mail if anyone wants it. It is a beautiful prayer.


106 posted on 03/28/2005 7:35:42 PM PST by queenkathy (I'm praying for that God will perform a miracle.)
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To: LogicalMs

I agree with your assessment of Rev Schuller's views.

When Terri no longer served a useful purpose for Michael, he simply decided to dipose of her. I can't even throw away a living plant let alone a HUMAN BEING.

BTW, love your tagline!


107 posted on 03/28/2005 7:43:15 PM PST by Scarlet7
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To: sinkspur

Well, the alternative is that he's a good man. So, by what definition of "good" does a good man go on television night after night applauding the murder of an innocent woman?


108 posted on 03/28/2005 7:49:32 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan

I don't watch Dan Abrams' show, so I don't know.


109 posted on 03/28/2005 7:51:58 PM PST by sinkspur (I'm in the WPPFF)
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To: gentlestrength
We are throwing away our future!" and "This is exactly what is happening!" (and the other good quotes from him)

How I wish Terri's bishop would have said those things. Thank you for the post or I wouldn't have known about it.

It is an inspiration to me that a protestant spiritual leader still thinks this way and is willing to lay it out there. He's from the "we" generation where people stuck by their spouses and cared for them (well I'm sure a lot felt trapped, but they did their duty).

To think that you have to go into "self assertion" mode to have your say on these shows. That's why I don't watch them any more. They use them to manipulate public opinion and entertain. Can't just have a normal dialog. Some good people get face time on the major media and then get slapped down, intimidated, talked over, made to look foolish, antiquary, old-fashioned, etc.

Sometime I'll try to find out just what Terri' bishop did or did not do in all this. Whatever it was, it would have been nice if he could have given her communion at least. Maybe behind the scenes he pled for her life. We can't know.

I was thinking back in the late 60's I had a neighbor who was a widow with a little boy and a "friend" whose wife was in a mental hospital. They spent a lot of time together, and it was no secret he was married. I didn't feel anything against them for what they were doing, but people hadn't started doing much of that yet, and I don't remember hearing any gossip about them apart from the fact that he was married. Just reflecting . . . on attitudes.

110 posted on 03/28/2005 7:59:42 PM PST by Aliska
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To: NorCalRepub

As bad as this is, with all the appeals, interventions and all, that the law in this case ruled on M.S.'s side no matter how distasteful it is



All the interventions and appeals?? Did they read and make their decision on the merits of Terri's family, friends, nurses, doctors testimonies.

Why did greer rule on MS's side - Please tell me.
Thanks.


111 posted on 03/28/2005 8:21:02 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

good lord man....you want to retry the case her on FR....your beef is with the lawyers, the courts, the SCOTUS for not accepting the case etc.....hey, blame the Schindler's for having shi**y attorneys, but due process found it's way thru to the end.....ad nauseum but I'm glad they exhausted all avenues


112 posted on 03/28/2005 8:23:41 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: AntiGuv
Quite obviously, Abrams is saying that he would not want HIS OWN parents to have the final say ABOUT HIM over the say of his wife.
Abrams isn't married, though, so I guess his parents would get final say after all.

Well .. since he doesn't trust own his parents with his life .. he best hurry up and get married

113 posted on 03/28/2005 9:00:01 PM PST by Mo1
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To: Mo1
..he best hurry up and get married

He wanted to get married but his girlfriend recently dumped him instead.

114 posted on 03/28/2005 9:09:10 PM PST by AntiGuv (™)
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To: sinkspur

Are you Gen-X?


115 posted on 03/28/2005 9:13:05 PM PST by restornu (Do ye suppose that mercy can rob justice? I say nay; not one whit. If so, God would cease to be God.)
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To: AntiGuv

"Abrams isn't married, though, so I guess his parents would get final say after all."

hahahaha thank you for telling me! 'splains alot!


116 posted on 03/28/2005 9:13:48 PM PST by gentlestrength
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To: AntiGuv
He wanted to get married but his girlfriend recently dumped him instead.

No need for to comment on that

117 posted on 03/28/2005 9:16:34 PM PST by Mo1
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To: restornu

No.


118 posted on 03/28/2005 9:17:07 PM PST by sinkspur (I'm in the WPPFF)
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To: Arthur McGowan
Well, the alternative is that he's a good man. So, by what definition of "good" does a good man go on television night after night applauding the murder of an innocent woman?

That is one of the best posts I have seen in a few years on FR.

119 posted on 03/28/2005 9:21:17 PM PST by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: gentlestrength

"Abrams quickly closed with "I love my parents, but would never want them to have the final say over my spouse."

I always thought that Abrams was a closeted gay. Well, let's hope his spouse (he or she) is as creepy and faithless as Michael Schiavo.


120 posted on 03/28/2005 9:21:42 PM PST by faithincowboys
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