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Court spares killer over jury's use of Bible
MSNBC ^ | March 28, 2005 | Unknown

Posted on 03/28/2005 12:36:05 PM PST by Sola Veritas

Condemned man gets life in prison for killing waitress Updated: 2:47 p.m. ET March 28, 2005 DENVER - The Colorado Supreme Court threw out the death sentence Monday of a man convicted of raping and killing a cocktail waitress because jurors consulted the Bible during deliberations. The court said Bible passages, including the verse that commands “an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth,” could lead jurors to vote for death. The justices ordered Robert Harlan to serve life in prison without parole for the 1994 slaying of Rhonda Maloney. Harlan’s attorneys challenged the sentence after discovering five jurors had looked up Bible verses, copied some of them down and then talked about them behind closed doors. Prosecutors said jurors should be allowed to refer to the Bible or other religious texts during deliberations.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: antibible; antichristian; antichristianbigotry; bible; churchandstate; constitution; firstammendment; freedomofreligion; secularization
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To: Gunrunner2

What I actually believe (1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith)(it allows for just war):

Chapter 24: Of the Civil Magistrate

1._____ God, the supreme Lord and King of all the world, hath ordained civil magistrates to be under him, over the people, for his own glory and the public good; and to this end hath armed them with the power of the sword, for defence and encouragement of them that do good, and for the punishment of evil doers.
( Romans 13:1-4 )

2._____ It is lawful for Christians to accept and execute the office of a magistrate when called there unto; in the management whereof, as they ought especially to maintain justice and peace, according to the wholesome laws of each kingdom and commonwealth, so for that end they may lawfully now, under the New Testament wage war upon just and necessary occasions.
( 2 Samuel 23:3; Psalms 82:3, 4; Luke 3:14 )

3._____ Civil magistrates being set up by God for the ends aforesaid; subjection, in all lawful things commanded by them, ought to be yielded by us in the Lord, not only for wrath, but for conscience sake; and we ought to make supplications and prayers for kings and all that are in authority, that under them we may live a quiet and peaceable life, in all godliness and honesty.
( Romans 13:5-7; 1 Peter 2:17; 1 Timothy 2:1, 2 )


161 posted on 03/28/2005 7:05:33 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: wrathof59
Judicial Tyranny never seems to end.

Completely out of control.

162 posted on 03/28/2005 7:09:24 PM PST by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: Brilliant

and why not?


163 posted on 03/28/2005 7:10:14 PM PST by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: Steve_Seattle
and on the judge's instructions

You fail to see the folly in your statement, don't you?

164 posted on 03/28/2005 7:14:50 PM PST by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: Alberta's Child

There is no difference


165 posted on 03/28/2005 7:15:23 PM PST by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: Steve_Seattle
So the judge is allowed to consult the Bible before making decisions just not the jury?

LMFAO

With all due respect Steve_Seattle you realize that this is all going to come to a screeching halt soon enough don't you?

166 posted on 03/28/2005 7:19:59 PM PST by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: yellowdoghunter

You just want to make me start singing "We are the World"


167 posted on 03/28/2005 7:20:49 PM PST by Susto
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To: Modernman
"This has nothing to do with religion."

It appears that a murderer was set free because jurors read the Bible. The Bible is a religious text.

This evidently has something "to do with religion."

168 posted on 03/28/2005 7:52:31 PM PST by Reactionary
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To: Reactionary
It appears that a murderer was set free because jurors read the Bible.

From the article, "The justices ordered Robert Harlan to serve life in prison without parole for the 1994 slaying of Rhonda Maloney."

169 posted on 03/28/2005 7:56:44 PM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: Reactionary
It appears that a murderer was set free because jurors read the Bible.

From the article, "The justices ordered Robert Harlan to serve life in prison without parole for the 1994 slaying of Rhonda Maloney."

170 posted on 03/28/2005 7:57:38 PM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: sinkspur
Nope. When I've sat on juries, we were not allowed to take ANYTHING into the deliberation room. I'm sure it's the same for a capital case.

Heaven forbid that a jury have access to actual INFORMATION. ;-)

171 posted on 03/28/2005 8:35:19 PM PST by an amused spectator (If Social Security isn't broken, then cut me a check for the cash I have into it.)
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To: Doe Eyes

I see. Thanks for the correction.


172 posted on 03/28/2005 8:35:51 PM PST by Reactionary
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To: Steve_Seattle

"I see that someone on this thread understands the law. Jurors are prohibited from bringing ANY outside materials into their deliberations; they are supposed to rely solely on the testimony they have heard and on the judge's instructions. You can't bring in a Bible, a law textbook, Time magazine - nothing. This ruling has nothing to do with anti-Bible or anti-Christian sentiment. The jurors who did this were idiots."

I'm glad a few people get this. You don't want juries considering anything other than testimony and exhibits that have been entered into the case. I don't want jurors reading "an eye for an eye" or "blessed are the merciful" when trying to make a factual determination.

Moreover, prosecutors and defense attorneys fight tooth and nail over jury instructions. You don't want some mutant who was too stupid to get out of jury duty to second guess jury instructions by debating the finer points of theology or anything else wholly irrelevant to following the damn instructions.

If you guys want to blame someone, blame the moron jurors who apparently didn't learn to follow instructions back in kindergarten.


173 posted on 03/28/2005 8:44:24 PM PST by New Orleans Slim
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To: Modernman
One of the reasons for banning outside materials for juries is to eliminate this type of distraction.

Cool. If I'm ever selected for jury duty, I'll be sure to mention that I've memorized several key texts... ;-)

174 posted on 03/28/2005 8:46:28 PM PST by an amused spectator (If Social Security isn't broken, then cut me a check for the cash I have into it.)
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To: sinkspur
If you can't decide the merits of the case, you have no business on a jury.

I have never had any business on a jury, because I am aware that the court system regularly suppresses relevant facts.

I'm not interested in being a part of a stage play being put on by a crowd of lawyers.

Lawyers (and judges are a subspecies of the breed) go into trial law because acting doesn't pay as well, for the most part.

175 posted on 03/28/2005 8:53:37 PM PST by an amused spectator (If Social Security isn't broken, then cut me a check for the cash I have into it.)
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To: Saint Reagan
I agree; it seems to me that the best way to handle this would be to empanel a new jury and have them deliberate on the sentence alone.
176 posted on 03/28/2005 8:57:38 PM PST by Kretek
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To: Modernman
I propose we do the same thing for doctors and engineers.

Lawyers and judges are professional actors who are in it because the pay and power are better than the crapshoot that is "amateur" acting.

Lawyers don't perform heart surgery, nor do they build bridges. It's too much work, and responsibility. :-)

177 posted on 03/28/2005 8:59:15 PM PST by an amused spectator (If Social Security isn't broken, then cut me a check for the cash I have into it.)
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To: AmishDude
They should have read Shakespeare instead. Something about lawyers.

Perhaps you ought to... The quotation to which you're alluding is spoken as part of a conpsiracy to sieze power and install a dictatorship...

Is that what you want?

178 posted on 03/28/2005 9:00:20 PM PST by Kretek
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To: Modernman
If you can write a bankruptcy or securities law that can be understood by a layman and still work, I'll eat my hat.

This one's TOO easy.

179 posted on 03/28/2005 9:00:28 PM PST by an amused spectator (If Social Security isn't broken, then cut me a check for the cash I have into it.)
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To: Steve_Seattle
This is a very old principle in our legal system, and is intended to protect the integrity of the process.

We can't have that, though, when we disagree with the outcome! Get the pitchforks and torches! /mocking

180 posted on 03/28/2005 9:01:42 PM PST by Kretek
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