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Did the Jews kill Christ (or was Jesus a Victim of Identity Theft)?
http://www.crosstalk.org ^ | 12/2004 | Dr. Randy Weiss

Posted on 03/28/2005 5:03:23 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican

Consider the facts:

It seems to me that the folks who confuse these matters misunderstand the real character and true identity of Jesus. Actually, many people reinterpret the life and purpose of Jesus to fit their own agendas. They recreate Jesus to fit a pattern they prefer. Perhaps that is what happened in Mr. Gibson’s film.

The producers substituted bread for matzah in the Feast of Unleavened Bread. Whether intentional or not, this error moved Jesus to a place outside the flow of Judaism. It is well known that Jews were forbidden to eat leavened bread during the time of Passover. To ignore this lowest common denominator that Jesus shared with the Jews of His community is to ignore that He was a faithful member of the Jewish community. If He can be extricated from His situation in life as a Jewish man in the first century, He can be recreated and recast in anyway that anyone chooses. In essence, He could be molded to fit the need anyone wished for Jesus to fill. But Jesus does not change at our insistence; we change at His. God does not change; He is perfect. We must change because we are imperfect. This may seem like an abstract philosophical concern, but it is not. It is a fundamental truth and we must let Jesus be Jesus. If we are permitted to modify Him to suit our fancy then we become God and He becomes our servant. That is why I refuse to ignore that the Last Supper was a traditional Jewish Passover. To make it less is to rob Jesus of His heritage on this earth. Of course that is the pattern for many Christian traditions. Leonardo Da Vinci had the same problem when he was commissioned to create The Last Supper for the Convent of Dominican friars at Santa Maria delle Grazie in Milan. If one looks carefully at this most famous religious painting, the traditional Gentile dinner rolls will become evident.

Jesus was born into the line of Jewish kings. Christians believe He is King eternal. Had He been born into a non-Jewish home, He would have been discredited from inheriting this throne. The prophetic mantle would have remained unfulfilled. Had He sinned in His dietary regimen eating food not kosher for Passover, He would have been disqualified as a perfect sacrifice and the Cross would have been pointless in the Father’s plan of salvation. If we ignore the small details of the food Jesus ate at His final Pesach seder, it becomes easier to ignore other details, such as the clothing Jesus wore.

Consider what the poor woman with the issue of blood would have done if the wardrobe designer from Mr. Gibson’s film had outfitted our Savior? She touched the “hem” of His garment and was healed according to Matthew 9:20. To the uninitiated reader, it might seem that Jesus wore Levi Docker slacks and the woman grabbed the neatly turned, starched hem of His pleated trousers gently draping over His penny loafers. Of course that would be quite ludicrous to suggest because everyone knows Jesus did not wear slacks. Would dressing Jesus in slacks be anymore foolish than presuming He disobeyed the commands of Numbers 15:38 and disregarded wearing His tallith with the proper long tsithith—fringes in the corners? According to Jewish practice and the best scholarship, it is these fringes that the women touched. It was not the hem of His trousers, it was the borders (corners or wings) where the tsithith hung.1

If we can quietly allow Mr. Gibson to separate Jesus from His Jewish food and His Jewish dress, we can begin to disentangle Him from His other Jewish characteristics. That is why the subtitle of this book asks the question, Did the Jews Kill Christ or Has Someone Stolen His Identity? The Jews are not to blame for His death. I believe He lives! There is no body. The accusation of murder is a moot point in light of the Resurrection. The crime is in how Jesus is usually represented. Many groups have stolen His identity.

That is how the founder of The Great Passion Play of Eureka Springs, Arkansas, promoted Jesus. He presented images of a blond-haired, blue-eyed, WASP Savior. Jesus was the victim of identity theft. He stole the true identity of Jesus and created a fairy tale Christ invented in his vain imagination. The Bible commands us not to worship false gods, yet that is what happens when we worship an idea of God that is a fabrication. This can happen quite easily if we become distracted from worshipping the God of the Bible and begin to serve an illusion about God presented by false teachers.  

WILL THE REAL JESUS PLEASE STAND UP?

If a heretic can separate Jesus from His own people, he becomes capable of casting Jesus as a member of any people. Yasser Arafat declared that Jesus was a Palestinian. It served Arafat’s political purposes. If no one points out the lunacy of such errant claims, the alleged Palestinian Jesus serves Arafat obediently. The very thought is sacrilegious at numerous levels.

My wife and I recently visited a huge outdoor flea market. One seller had a plethora of Christian art. My favorite was the “Black Last Supper” where an African-American Jesus was surrounded by African-American disciples. Though this odd vision drifted further than Mr. Gibson’s, I was at least pleased to see there was no pork identified on the table. I did comment to my wife that the dinner rolls were a nice touch. They were attractive in the spirit of DaVinci. Embracing Jesus as one of their own apparently serves the African-American community. It is always wiser to serve Jesus as He is than to expect Him to serve us as we are.

Jesus was neither Aryan, nor a Nazi sympathizer. Yet that is how He was portrayed in the 1934 presentation of the most famous passion play of Europe. It was a crime of identity theft that permitted the Oberammergau Passion Play to insure that all of the main characters were Aryans during the Nazi era. Hitler loved it and insisted it be preserved forever to show the world the menacing story of the Jews. The show still goes on. Jesus served Hitler in that presentation, but Hitler never served Jesus.

Neo-Nazis and Christian Identity adherents declare Jesus was not Jewish. The heretical proponents of British-Israelism shift the heritage of Jesus and the promises of God from the Jewish people of Israel to the Anglo-Saxon people in Great Britain. They don’t want to be confronted by a Jewish Jesus. Of course, neither did the Catholic leaders of the Cathedral of Florence, when they commissioned Michelangelo to create the larger-than-life statue of King David (23 feet tall on pedestal). If you dare to peek, David was cast as an uncircumcised Gentile. In a truly classic faux pax, the 1988 edition of the World Book Encyclopedia described Michelangelo’s artistry as “best known for his treatment of the human body . . . but is never false or artificial. See the picture of his statue of David with the David article.”2 How could they not notice? Apparently, the Church could not tolerate a Jewish hero. In their view, it was wise to recreate David as one like themselves, instead of one like their enemies. That could have been an embarrassment.

The gay community desires to paint Jesus as a homosexual. The women’s liberation movement prefers goddesses to God and they have cast Jesus as a woman. The truth is that once Jesus is removed from the pages of the Bible, there is no anchor to hold people to truth and Jesus to His birthright.

Jesus was a poor, itinerant, Jewish rabbi teaching in the Galilee region of ancient Israel. Yet modern prosperity preachers would have us believe that Jesus was a well-to-do, name-it-and-claim-it faith preacher in an Armani robe, Gucci sandals and a Rolex sundial. If you listen to some prosperity-preaching charlatans with nice hair and big churches, you’d think God had dumped the poor people to shower all His blessings on the fat cats and major donors.

Perhaps you’ve heard that some are asking, WWJD—What would Jesus drive? Well, Jesus didn’t tool into Jerusalem on Palm Sunday driving a donkey named Mercedes.

Like a famous American general, Jesus is coming back. But the Second Coming of Jesus will bring eternity. He is Lord of peace and Lord of the judgment.

This work is intended to be taken seriously so it is inappropriate to contain too much sarcasm. Yet there is a great irony that many seem to miss. Jesus does not need us to make Him more appealing to those who reject Him. We need Jesus to make us more appealing to those who reject Him because of us. Jesus is sufficiently winsome and wonderful that anyone who considers the true nature of Christ can easily identify the virtue that dwells in Him. It is only when we betray His love by representing Him reprehensibly that He seems unloving. It is only when we rob Him of His glorious character by infusing our own lack into His being that His worth is diminished and His value depreciated by our flawed transmission of His message.

I am here to declare that a crime has been committed. Jesus is the victim of identity theft. Every cause and each group has adopted Jesus as their own. They have created Jesus in their own image. It is one of the greatest crimes of history. Even the new improved mellow Saint Mel of the Passion recreated Jesus to suit his view.

Jesus loved women but not as sex objects. Although He may as well have, if you believe the disgusting, immoral, promiscuous, portrayals of some pre-Mel Hollywood representations of Jesus. The Last Temptation of Christ depicted Jesus fantasizing having sex with Mary Magdalene.

Jesus loved His mother but He wasn’t a momma’s boy. Jesus was a strong, bold, male role model. Nevertheless, when viewing the film, one nagging question refused to fade from my mind.  

Surviving the Beating in the Passion?

The beating endured by Jesus in the film was so intense that it seemed impossible for a man, even a strong, bold man, to have lived through the preliminary stages of His torture. Perhaps that is why so much criticism has been leveled against the film from those who believed it to be too violent. The same critics were probably not offended by the violence in other films that included Mel Gibson. Yet some critics skewered his film of the Passion due to the graphic violence. Was the film too violent? No, I do not agree with that assessment. The violence contained in the film was certainly not gratuitous. It was a purposeful fair representation of what Jesus endured. There was a reason for the suffering of Jesus to be shown in the film. It was part and parcel of the Gospel story. In fact, some have posited that the film was not violent enough. That analysis is not unfounded based on the condition described in the Bible. One could still recognize the character playing Jesus on the Cross. The Scripture details that He was beaten beyond recognition.

Why did Jesus keep getting up? Why didn’t He just stay down and symbolically cry “Uncle?” The Cross would not have been escaped. Only the added suffering would have been bypassed. What possessed Him to continue?

Could a normal human being have lived through the beating? I found it perplexing to watch Jesus continue to carry the Cross after being beaten with such severity. It was quite telling to see a strong, healthy man struggle with the same Cross. Simon the Cyrenian was drafted by the Roman soldiers to help Jesus. Simon could barely manhandle the Cross in their two-man team. It was too much for him. Jesus had lost so much blood and had so many unbearable wounds. It seemed impossible for Him to be able to move under His own power, let alone drag a heavy cross through the streets of Jerusalem. Could a normal man have endured? Could a normal man have trudged up the slope to the site of His execution? I guess the answer is dependent on the man’s passion. It may have been impossible for a normal man. But Jesus was not normal. You see, Jesus was on a mission. His will to live exceeded His desire to avoid pain. His will to live exceeded the murderous intent of His enemies. But His will to live was limited to His need to live until He could die the death for which He was destined.

Jesus was divine. But this is not what separated Jesus from other men. I do not ascribe super-human strength to the Son of God. Rather, it was super-human love. Jesus would not quit because He would not fail. Jesus would not stop short of Calvary because He knew all about our need for His death. He knew that our salvation was at stake. Many men and women have been known to accomplish feats of strength beyond their natural ability when called upon in desperate conditions. Some people simply refuse to die until they accomplish their goals. Then they quietly pass on. I chose to attribute His ability to survive the beating and His choice to endure sub-human treatment to the unstoppable love He exhibited. Yet I could not remove the nagging doubt about a human’s ability to endure that much physical torture. Then a country preacher cleared it all up for me.

Pastor Kerry McDaniel put the human ability of Jesus into focus on this subject. He reminded me that Jesus had no sin. Sin is what brought death to mankind. When he stated that, I had a revelation about the character of Jesus in Mr. Gibson’s film. Could any man have endured such a beating and lived? The answer became clear. Yes! Any man who had no sin, because it is sin that brings death. The Jews did not kill Jesus. The Romans did not kill Jesus. I think those nasty soldiers could have beat Jesus until their arms turned into rigatoni. The beating would not kill Jesus. Not even the Crucifixion killed Jesus. He was fully human. But Jesus was without sin. Jesus died on the Cross, but not before He was ready. It was not before His mission was accomplished. My revelation was that it was just as the Bible had detailed the event. In John’s Gospel it is written that “He said, ‘It is finished’ and he bowed his head and he gave up the ghost” (John 19:30). Jesus knew when His work was complete. He knew when He had completed the task of taking our sins away. He would not die until this task was completed. And then no man took His life. He willingly gave it as an offering for sin that we might have life eternal. Jesus could have endured all of the pain inflicted in the film and more. His love was greater than any suffering this world could inflict. His love and His life are eternal. The pain was only temporary.

The only way to make things right is to put Jesus back into the context in which He lived, died, and rose again. As I say in every radio or TV program I produce, “Jesus is Lord . . . and He vuz such a nice Jewish boy.” To that, I will simply add, “Thank you!” 

Copyright 2004 by Randy Weiss, PH.D.


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KEYWORDS: christ; easter; jesus; jews
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To: meandog

OK, but what is this salvation you speak of?


101 posted on 03/28/2005 8:04:57 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: WKB

OK


102 posted on 03/28/2005 8:05:32 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: avile

That's not how either Peter or Paul portray them. Your quarrel is with them.


103 posted on 03/28/2005 8:06:03 AM PST by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news)
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To: stuartcr
[ What animal would someone that just believes in God be? ]

Theres lots of Gods, which one.?.
I know a teenager that worships his car..

104 posted on 03/28/2005 8:07:41 AM PST by hosepipe (This Propaganda has been edited to include not a small amount of Hyperbole..)
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To: meandog

because somehow God has a plan for all of us to achieve salvation...


You are exactly right and here it is in God's own word

John 14:6
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.


105 posted on 03/28/2005 8:09:02 AM PST by WKB (You can half the good and double the bad people say about themselves.)
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To: hosepipe

I believe there is only one God, the creator of all.


106 posted on 03/28/2005 8:11:45 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: Bryan24

>This is not an attack on Jews. All men are sinful. We all need the blood of Christ for forgiveness.

But the twisting of scriptures for political or secular purposes is truly a waste of time. <

We can say this is not an attack on the Jews but it is a stumbling block in spiritual discussion.Their is no reason for a Christian to debate the secular issue of who killed Jesus.We know the answer in God's economy is we all did.

1Cr 8:11 And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?


1Cr 8:12 But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ.


I choose not to place a stumbling block in the path of my Jewish neighbor.


107 posted on 03/28/2005 8:13:58 AM PST by Blessed
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To: stuartcr
[ I believe there is only one God, the creator of all. ]

So do muslims..
and Satanists..

Your point.?.

108 posted on 03/28/2005 8:15:35 AM PST by hosepipe (This Propaganda has been edited to include not a small amount of Hyperbole..)
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To: hosepipe

No point, it was a question....what is the Biblical metaphorical reference to those that just believe in one God, and do not follow any religion?

If there is only one God, then He is God for all, regardless of someones religion.


109 posted on 03/28/2005 8:18:41 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

Next, someone will come up with the notion that Jesus was a twin and that is how the resurrection was faked.


110 posted on 03/28/2005 8:23:40 AM PST by Old Professer (As darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of good; innocence is blind.)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

Let's go to the source,

11Meanwhile Jesus stood before the governor, and the governor asked him, “Are you the king of the Jews?”
“Yes, it is as you say,” Jesus replied.

12When he was accused by the chief priests and the elders, he gave no answer. 13Then Pilate asked him, “Don't you hear the testimony they are bringing against you?” 14But Jesus made no reply, not even to a single charge–to the great amazement of the governor.

15Now it was the governor's custom at the Feast to release a prisoner chosen by the crowd. 16At that time they had a notorious prisoner, called Barabbas. 17So when the crowd had gathered, Pilate asked them, “Which one do you want me to release to you: Barabbas, or Jesus who is called Christ?” 18For he knew it was out of envy that they had handed Jesus over to him.

19While Pilate was sitting on the judge's seat, his wife sent him this message: “Don't have anything to do with that innocent man, for I have suffered a great deal today in a dream because of him.”

20But the chief priests and the elders persuaded the crowd to ask for Barabbas and to have Jesus executed.

21“Which of the two do you want me to release to you?” asked the governor.

“Barabbas,” they answered.

22“What shall I do, then, with Jesus who is called Christ?” Pilate asked.

They all answered, “Crucify him!”

23“Why? What crime has he committed?” asked Pilate.

But they shouted all the louder, “Crucify him!”

24When Pilate saw that he was getting nowhere, but that instead an uproar was starting, he took water and washed his hands in front of the crowd. “I am innocent of this man's blood,” he said. “It is your responsibility!”

25All the people answered, “Let his blood be on us and on our children!”

26Then he released Barabbas to them. But he had Jesus flogged, and handed him over to be crucified.

As a born-again Jew myself, I would say that the Jewish throngs under the leadership of the chief priests, handed Jesus over to the Romans to be crucified.

Not anti-jewish, just what happened according to the Bible.


111 posted on 03/28/2005 8:28:40 AM PST by KansasConservative1
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To: stuartcr
[ No point, it was a question....what is the Biblical metaphorical reference to those that just believe in one God, and do not follow any religion? ]

Only psuedo-gods actually need religion..
It legitimizes them-->>(and their clergy)...
Bibically various animals represent various errors including snakes, but sheep pretty much is a universal prop to represent the biblical god.. That particular god does not allow the sheep to honor him/it anyway they choose.. but according to his dictates.. What are thise dictates.?.
Ask God.. or make up your own religion, its your life..

[ If there is only one God, then He is God for all, regardless of someones religion. ]

Can you prove that.?. and by what means.?..
Or is that your opinion.?.

112 posted on 03/28/2005 8:40:36 AM PST by hosepipe (This Propaganda has been edited to include not a small amount of Hyperbole..)
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To: KansasConservative1

Question: Who killed Y’shua?

Answer: All who claim his shed blood for atonement for their sins.

 

It is a very limited atonement indeed.

 

B’shem Y’shua

chuck


113 posted on 03/28/2005 8:41:46 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Y'shua <==> YHvH is my Salvation (Psalm 118-14))
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

I'm always struck how some critics of the portrayal of our Lord and Savior nonchalantly revert to referencing Him in the past tense. A more significant aspect in this Church Age is that He is alive as man and divine, in a resurrection physical body, in the 3rd heaven and still in session as we read this. More significantly, unlike any other age in history we also are able to share in His presence.


114 posted on 03/28/2005 8:47:34 AM PST by Cvengr (<;^))
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To: hosepipe

I don't have a desire for a religion personally, I am satisfied with just a belief in the one God.

Just as no one does, I have no proof of God, just a belief...but I also have no need or desire for proof, or to convince others.


115 posted on 03/28/2005 8:51:16 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: stuartcr

Mee Too...


116 posted on 03/28/2005 9:02:51 AM PST by hosepipe (This Propaganda has been edited to include not a small amount of Hyperbole..)
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To: Paulus Invictus

I haven't specifically read that, but it wouldn't surprise me if the legion of liberal scholars who investigate these things had come up with such.

However, let's look at it rationally. If some late redactionist was going to expend the effort to forge such a thing, why would they be so obscure about it? As pointed out earlier, it is almost a footnote in his history.

Another reason the mention may be so fleeting is that Josephus was above everything a politician. The whole issue of Jesus' life and death was a big embarrassment to Rome. He may have wanted to make sure it was mentioned, but did not want to belabor it to the point where he annoyed his Roman patrons.


117 posted on 03/28/2005 9:04:12 AM PST by NCSteve
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To: LauraleeBraswell

Those who focus their thinking on the body, naturally only focus on the physical aspect of our Lord's biological, bodily death. Those dead in the spirit, also know no other interpretation or significance of His death.

I suspect the violence done to Christ was performed in every soulish and physical fashion in a counterfeit attempt to distract Him from remaining faithful unto the Father. Much of it probably induced by demonic influence and/or possession of some of those witnessing the ordeal.

There was probably also considerable spiritual attempts to distract Him from His destiny.

The real issue, which we are also to emulate, is that He remained faithful regardless the temptations and distractions promulgated upon him prior to being judged by God the Father.

I'm not sure Jesus Christ was aware of of all aspects of the sacrifice being performed. When He declared, "My God, My God, Why have you foresaken me?" I suspect he had been judged and all sins of mankind had then been judged and at that point he endured the spiritual death (or state of existence involving separation) which resulted in the Father being consistant in granting eternal life and relationship with any man where righteousness was found. That righeousness found today in the faith through Him just as He was found faithful.


118 posted on 03/28/2005 9:12:37 AM PST by Cvengr (<;^))
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To: freedomfiter2

Exactly, in our unregenerate state we would have done the same thing were we in their position.

&&

You are so right. We are all to blame.

It is so sad to see a post like this with so many anti-Jewish comments, isn't it?


119 posted on 03/28/2005 9:19:04 AM PST by Bigg Red (Never again trust Democrats with national security!)
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To: WKB
How do you know that people are being saved?

Here's a better insight,...the Rapture of the Church still hasn't yet occurred,....upon completion of the Church, it will be removed as will be the Holy Spirit, then will come a 7 year period of Great Tribulation.

120 posted on 03/28/2005 9:20:22 AM PST by Cvengr (<;^))
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