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Part 7 - EASTER SUNDAY -NO FOOD OR WATER 10-11TH DAYS- SHE'S FIGHTING TO LIVE [Schiavo]
Continuing thread ^ | 03/27/05 | various

Posted on 03/27/2005 6:45:08 PM PST by tutstar

After much hard work that has gone on for well over a year, it's been a week and 2 days since Terri has been without food and hydration.

Many asking the question how we could have become such a callous society as to deny a helpless human the basic necessity of food and water.

Terri's plight has brought to light many problems in the judicial system and opened our eyes to the fact that some laws need to be changed.

The work will continue to protect helpless individuals from suffering the same injustice as Terri.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: criminaljudges; easter; euthanasia; felos; florida; impotentleaders; libel; necrofelos; sunshamestate; terrischiavo; terrischindler
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To: DJ MacWoW

So the injunctions weren't a county level thing, the orders to the police were from a state court and not a local court - no wonder the state police administrators were uncomfortable about getting involved.

Talk about constitutional crisis. And legally, Jeb would have been the one to step over the legal edge if he had pushed it once Greer injuncted the DCF. It would have gone to the next level of appelate, which would have ruled against Jeb.

Legal short hairs.

All because Greer's state-level court could say it was legally enforcing the wishes of Terri (because it had been legally ruled this is what she wanted, by going through the legal channels). The death campers would say we were infringing on her legal rights, and by the way the laws were written, and the rulings given, we would have if we pushed past the injunction.

Our only course was to have some way of proving MS and his family perjured themselves about Terri wanting this.

This is what happens when you have really good lawyers fighting against less skilled lawyers, and people willing to take advantage of laws that look decent until you push them into an immoral use.


1,001 posted on 03/28/2005 12:40:41 PM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: lugsoul

Right here:

http://www.jud6.org/Addresses/JudgesPhoneNumbers/judgeaddressandphonelist.htm

Apology will be accepted anytime....


1,002 posted on 03/28/2005 12:45:11 PM PST by tuckrdout (Is prayer your steering wheel, or your spare tire?)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

You have made a good point about state police under Jeb Bush being fearful of clashing with the state judge. Therefore, Jeb should have asked that his brother intervene to overrule the constitutional crisis in FL. Not intervening cedes the power to the judiciary.

I suppose that if Jeb had tried to use pardon power, the state courts would have immediately struck him down on that too.

Maybe the problem is that the FL governorship is institutionally weak, something often said of the TX office as well.


1,003 posted on 03/28/2005 12:45:56 PM PST by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: DJ MacWoW

I am very sad that congress is not going to enforce it's supoena...I bet if Delay can find a way, he will try, though.


1,004 posted on 03/28/2005 12:45:57 PM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: DJ MacWoW

thanks for the ping. Great Article DJ.


1,005 posted on 03/28/2005 12:46:18 PM PST by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift my eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

What we saw was the rule of judges. The rule of law was disregarded.

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So the media tells us what to focus on. Not the VALUE of this dying woman, but necessity of having a written will.

The joke on America is that if judges can diregard the law than they can disregard living wills arbitrarily.


1,006 posted on 03/28/2005 12:47:04 PM PST by juzcuz
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To: pollywog

Here's a link for an uplifting story!!! Our God IS an awesome God!!!

http://www.leftbehind.com/channelfree.asp?pageid=1118&channelID=175


1,007 posted on 03/28/2005 12:48:09 PM PST by SvdByFaith (not my will, but THY will oh Lord!)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum
All because Greer's state-level court could say it was legally enforcing the wishes of Terri

I think that is the catch-22. Great system, huh? Something to be proud of. (puke)

1,008 posted on 03/28/2005 12:48:19 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: Theodore R.

might be...some states governors have more power than in other ones...I'm not up on the nuances of the Florida constitution. I don't think I like how Florida does its business.

I don't plan on living there in the near future, that's for sure.


1,009 posted on 03/28/2005 12:49:17 PM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum
I am very sad that congress is not going to enforce it's supoena...I bet if Delay can find a way, he will try, though.

When I called Dennis Hasterts' office today, they basically said that they had " dropped it". Doesn't give us a lot of comfort to look to law makers like that. Empty threats!! Sounds like a mother, that consistently yells at her kids about picking up their clothes. " no treats tonight after dinner if you DON'T".......and what happens after dinner? a large helping of ice cream!!!

1,010 posted on 03/28/2005 12:49:31 PM PST by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift my eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: MarMema

"It's just barbaric. We're all going about our lives waiting to hear she has died. And instead of this death vigil being about someone we could not save, it is about someone we could save but is dying from a deliberate killing."

I agree, and I'm having trouble focusing on anything BUT this. My work is piling up (& people around me are getting tired of hearing me talk about it) because I can't just "get on with things" while this crime is being permitted. Michael Savage put it perfectly when he said "I feel like I'm watching a murder in slow motion."


1,011 posted on 03/28/2005 12:50:43 PM PST by Josephine
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To: juzcuz
The joke on America is that if judges can diregard the law than they can disregard living wills arbitrarily.

Oh my. The joke is bigger than that. Sign a living will? Risk starvation. The model Liveing Will in Florida statutes calls for starvation as the manner of death. The outcome is buried in the definitions, as a normal interpretation of the language cares for the patient. But the legal parsing results in death by starvation.

1,012 posted on 03/28/2005 12:51:54 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: pollywog
We must bring the greatest possible meaning to Terri's death some how.

Things have got to change around here, and I don't mean maybe.

I don't care about any RINOs or PLINOs or apologists for them on any GOP-centrific 'conservative' talk shows either.

Time for the BIG BACKLASH.

1,013 posted on 03/28/2005 12:51:58 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (FR and FREEPERS show their COURAGE if they can equally oppose G.O.P & Dems, on major/moral issues)
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To: pollywog

I smell a rat in the woodpile....and I think he's wearing sheeps clothing.


1,014 posted on 03/28/2005 12:52:43 PM PST by SvdByFaith (not my will, but THY will oh Lord!)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum
DeLay isn't the only one. There are a few who don't like laws being flouted.

Court inaction spurs vows of conservative retaliation [Courts have defied federal law re: Schiavo]

1,015 posted on 03/28/2005 12:53:05 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Life support. canned, frozen or fresh, it's good for you!)
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To: Orlando

I was reading another thread and there's supposed to be protesters in Times Square for Terri. Maybe that will get Hillerys attention


1,016 posted on 03/28/2005 12:54:23 PM PST by pickyourpoison (" Laus Deo ")
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To: LegalEagle61

Absolutely! He MUST be in control. He is going to be at loose ends when this is over, isn't he?

Funny how he always says that he doesn't want cameras in Terri's room, to protect her "privacy"! LOL!!

What a lie. Before the man got his money, he filmed her himself! Had her on display to show what a good husband he was...


1,017 posted on 03/28/2005 12:55:31 PM PST by tuckrdout (Is prayer your steering wheel, or your spare tire?)
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To: juzcuz
So the media tells us what to focus on.

Does the media even understand what happened? What IS happening? Ignorance is no excuse but I think they're oblivious.

1,018 posted on 03/28/2005 12:56:04 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Life support. canned, frozen or fresh, it's good for you!)
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To: Cboldt

That IS where they got us...between the bad lawyering and that ruling, I don't know how we could work around it.

Terri was abused? So what? She didn't want to live in this condition, so we have to let her die ASAP.

That's what every complaint about mistreatment or wrongdoing to Terri comes down to. Even potential corruption in the area with guardianship rulings and stuff don't matter, cause they ruled Terri wanted to die.

All these other things are separate issues.

The Schindlers think Terri wasn't allowed her religious rights? Maybe they can sue the hospice and/or MS, but it'll have to be separate from the right to die stuff.

Lots of darkness here. Legal but not necessarily just. Very clever, and a trap people need to watch out for.


1,019 posted on 03/28/2005 12:56:04 PM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: pollywog

You're welcome. It was clear and to the point.


1,020 posted on 03/28/2005 12:57:32 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Life support. canned, frozen or fresh, it's good for you!)
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