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Schiavo Moves Closer to Death (Schindlers Attorney: She Has 'Passed the Point of No Return')
ITV of Britain ^ | 3.27.05 9:49 PM

Posted on 03/27/2005 2:35:40 PM PST by gopwinsin04

The Schindlers attorney said that Mrs. Schiavo is declining rapidly and a morphine drip has been administered by medical staff at her hospice to help her ease her pain.

He added, 'At this point, we would say that Terri has passed the point of no return.'

The case has been in and out of court for years and has gripped America.

It has seen the intervention of US President George W. Bush, the US Supreme Court and Florida's Governor Jeb Bush.

The Schindlers, practicing Roman Catholics, have attracted passionate support from an array of Christian conservatives, right to life, and anti abortion advocates, who have been holding vigils outside the hospice.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: judicialtyranny; terrischiavo
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To: gopwinsin04
"Just once, we need an elected official to stand up to a clearly incorrect ruling by a court. Any incorrect ruling will do, but my vote is for a state court that has ordered a disabled woman to be starved to death at the request of her adulterous husband."

Ann Coulter

221 posted on 03/27/2005 5:03:36 PM PST by jpsb
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To: avile
"ARE THERE ANY TERRI SUPPORTERS OUT THERE THAT WOULD STILL WANT TO PUT THE G-TUBE BACK IN IF A LIVING WILL WAS DISCOVERED?"

That's a red herring. Even if Terri had had a living will prior to her trauma, it could not have specified that she wanted to be starved and dehydrated to death because that was not even a legal option at the time. In fact, in the state of Florida, it was Felos and his death cult, which included members of the Florida House and Senate, that ramroded the legislation that would allow it, even as Terri was being denied rehabilitative therapy.

222 posted on 03/27/2005 5:06:08 PM PST by sweetliberty (Never argue with a fool. People might not know the difference.)
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To: The Real J Fate
"And what a surpise it has been to see the Death Cult so strongly represented on FR. A Conservative forum?"

Isn't that the painful truth?

223 posted on 03/27/2005 5:12:00 PM PST by sweetliberty (Never argue with a fool. People might not know the difference.)
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To: beyond the sea; All

You know what?

I'm convinced that a lot of people don't give a rat's ass what Mike Schiavo and Judge Greer did.

It shows in the polling and general attitudes. A lot of people think "Hey, it didn't happen to me or anyone I know. Why the F*** should I care?"

My only hope is that a long and expensive wrongful death suit is filed against Mike Schiavo and hopefully Judge Greer if possible.

I wanna see both these clowns dragged thru the mud and have their reputations totally smeared beyond any hope of redemption.

Even if Mike Schiavo gets off on the wrongful death charge, I want it to be that he's ashamed to show his face in public no matter where he lives.

I'd love to see his co-workers shun him and people on the stareet call him a murdering thug.


224 posted on 03/27/2005 5:16:47 PM PST by MplsSteve
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To: gopwinsin04

Is she needs a morphine drip to ease her pain, wouldn't that mean, then, that she is not totally brain-dead? If she were truly vegetative, wouldn't she even feel or be aware of anything? That alone makes me question the right to remove the feeding tube.

(Sorry if this is naive, but I know zilch about physiology, let alone health care.)


225 posted on 03/27/2005 5:17:23 PM PST by MoochPooch (A righteous person worries about his or her behavior, an extremist about everyone else's.)
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To: gopwinsin04
The Schindlers attorney said that Mrs. Schiavo is declining rapidly and a morphine drip...

Whoops. I thought a "patient in a PVS didn't feel pain." Or that "starvation and dehydration would bring about a euphoric state."

OK, which is it? I look to the NYT, La Times, ABC, etc. to provide me the correct answer...

LOL! I crack me up sometimes.

5.56mm

226 posted on 03/27/2005 5:22:27 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: MplsSteve
A lot of people think "Hey, it didn't happen to me or anyone I know. Why the F*** should I care?"

For lack of having the exact mentality that you describe, I was criticized for my distress during 9/11, and the days following, at my job where I had worked for 12 years. (in NY, no less). It is also exactly part of why I no longer work there.

But what is the solution when it is your country with the attitude? How exactly do you "quit" or better your circumstances? Please advise.

227 posted on 03/27/2005 5:22:55 PM PST by DaughterofEve (W...AGAIN!!!! :)
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To: BibChr

"The Schindlers attorney said that Mrs. Schiavo is declining rapidly and a morphine drip has been administered by medical staff at her hospice to help her ease her pain"



I strongly doubt the morphine drip is being administered 'to help her ease Terri's pain'......no the morphine drip is being administered to help hasten Terri's death AND to help ease the discomfort of the hospice staff.

It MUST be uncomfortable for the hospice staff witnessing Terri's agonizingly painful death.

DAMN THEM ALL.


228 posted on 03/27/2005 5:24:15 PM PST by Bennett46
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To: hydrotech1

I am so sorry. Today must be a particularly hard day for you. I have lost both parents. They live on in my heart as your mother does in yours. And in quiet moments you will remember. You will teach and love and cherish with all she taught you to be.


229 posted on 03/27/2005 5:28:52 PM PST by sageb1
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To: CyberAnt
"I expect the same ones will return when the criminal investigation begins into the handling of this case."

I admire your optimism.

I don't like it that so many are dumping on Jeb and Dubya. Whether I believe they've done all they could do or not is irrelevant. I can't see the world through their eyes and with their responsibilities, so I don't feel qualified to make that judgement. At the same time, I can forgive a lot because this is such an intensely emotional and soul wrenching event, that it isn't so hard to understand that people are speaking out of their pain, and I won't judge that either.

I really do hope you're right about the criminal investigation. Perhaps I have become a bit cynical, but I'll believe it when I see it.

230 posted on 03/27/2005 5:30:11 PM PST by sweetliberty (Never argue with a fool. People might not know the difference.)
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To: Dionysiusdecordealcis
While I am disappointed in the executive, the true problem is the timidity of the legislative branch when push came to shove.

Except, the legislative can not enforce the law, however the Governor and the President have armies of prosecutors, in fact they even have armies.

231 posted on 03/27/2005 5:36:15 PM PST by itsahoot (There are some things more painful than the truth, but I can't think of them.)
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To: henbane
And this was my point - that there needs to be some discussion of George Felos' personal beliefs as contributing to this. He is an intelligent man. Determining any type of psychosis or disorder is exceedingly difficult when dealing with such an individual. Ask any shrink or psychiatrist. The client can appear to be completely normal. The fact that he's an attorney who is even more adept at changing the subject makes it twice as difficult.

He put on quite an act behaving as though he was grasping for words to express himself. Many, I'm sure, believed every word he said.

232 posted on 03/27/2005 5:38:21 PM PST by sageb1
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To: HitmanNY
This is not only a legal battle but a public relations battle - the Schindlers have consistently dropped the ball with their questionable judgment calls of family friends like Terry and much more importantly the legal mouthpieces they have chosen during this terrible tragedy.

The judges hold themselves out as superior in knowledge and assert that the premise of the system is "justice." It's their baby, bad lawering notwithstanding. At some point, especially when life is in the balance, substance is supposed to triumph over form. Just because the mothpiece is an ass is no reason to kill the client.

I'll wait and see how the PR battle plays out. I predict there will be some judicial casualties, but the system will go on, flawed, and sanctity of life will be poo-poo'ed as an historic anacronism.

233 posted on 03/27/2005 5:38:34 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: Trust but Verify
one might want to take what they or their mouthpieces say with a grain of salt.

You on the other hand preach the gospel of Michael. Fair enough, I guess.

234 posted on 03/27/2005 5:41:20 PM PST by itsahoot (There are some things more painful than the truth, but I can't think of them.)
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To: Cboldt

You can't blame the judges without laying some blame on the lawyers. I'm blaming both (and blaming the Schindler lawyers a bit more for being clueless what to do in Federal Court, even after Congress told them what to do).

The Schindlers taking advice from Randall Terry didn't help their cause in the court of public opinion, either.


235 posted on 03/27/2005 5:42:50 PM PST by HitmanLV
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To: gidget7
I'm not going to read anymore bashing of the Bushes.

Head in the sand makes so much more sense.

236 posted on 03/27/2005 5:44:30 PM PST by itsahoot (There are some things more painful than the truth, but I can't think of them.)
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To: ErnBatavia
Dubya and Jeb have said they've done all they can legally do - and that's good enough for me.

Drip, drip, drip.......You know of course that Euthanasia was approved by all the courts in Germany.

237 posted on 03/27/2005 5:46:30 PM PST by itsahoot (There are some things more painful than the truth, but I can't think of them.)
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To: CyberAnt
Actually, they're just trying to stir us up against the Bush family.

You really don't get it, do you? Sad...

238 posted on 03/27/2005 5:51:03 PM PST by itsahoot (There are some things more painful than the truth, but I can't think of them.)
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To: HitmanNY
The dissent in the 11th Cir is correct, best as I am aware - the court could have gone on and done a de novo review despite the fact that the Sincidler's lawyers didn't really ask for one. That being said, it wouldn't have been reduced to a mention of a dissent if THE LAWYERS DID THEIR JOB!

Are you sure? The en banc decisions were heavily in favor of upholding the lower court, and avoided probing the judgement of the fact finder. I think that is a systematic "circle the wagons" behavior, rooted in form over substance. Pharisees if you will. At some point, the judges come off as defensive when they blame the lawyers. E.g., why blow off the motion that the patient said "I don't want to die" (I know, the patient isn't able to communicate clearly, and maybe didn't communicate at all), because it wasn't timely. How in God's creation that can be justified is beyond me.

239 posted on 03/27/2005 5:51:57 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: gopwinsin04

240 posted on 03/27/2005 5:52:10 PM PST by cartoonistx
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