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Playing God [Robert Schindler Yanks Plug on Own Mother]
Guardian Unlimited (The Guardian Online) ^ | Tuesday November 4, 2003 | Suzanne Goldenberg

Posted on 03/27/2005 1:30:00 PM PST by Gondring

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To: cripplecreek
How many of those premature babies were simply allowed to die? Not one.
221 posted on 03/30/2005 8:04:02 AM PST by TASMANIANRED (Never let your life be determined by the prejudice of a Physician.)
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To: DollarCoins
Do you realize that there are many medical experts who don't think she's in a pvs. (There is no recent medical evidence in the court records).

Should we kill her before we find out? Or should we give the benefit of the doubt to life, and follow the Congressional bill to do a de novo investigation of her condition?

If you are right, nothing has been lost. If you are wrong, an innocent woman has been murdered by the State.

NO choice for a clear thinking person, IMO.

222 posted on 03/30/2005 8:10:43 AM PST by ohioWfan ("If My people, which are called by My name, will humble themselves and pray.....")
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To: Gondring
I hope you're being sarcastic.

A person who has to be on a machine to breathe, and whose organs are shutting down due to illness is a totally different situation from a person who is simply receiving sustenance through a tube. (In fact, her nurses said she can swallow, but it takes a great deal of energy.) If I stopped giving you food and water, you'd die just like Terri is dying. She has no other "extraordinary means" of survival other than FOOD AND WATER.

223 posted on 03/30/2005 8:11:56 AM PST by I'm ALL Right! (Welcome to my addiction.)
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To: DollarCoins
One question, DC............why did you sign up on FR just a few days ago?

You don't mind my asking, do you?

224 posted on 03/30/2005 8:11:58 AM PST by ohioWfan ("If My people, which are called by My name, will humble themselves and pray.....")
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To: ohioWfan

I respect the opinion of the court assigned medical experts that have physically examined Terri and ALL determined that she is in a PVS.

I also respect Terri's right to not be kept alive in this condition


225 posted on 03/30/2005 8:13:35 AM PST by DollarCoins
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To: TASMANIANRED

I'm curious about how early your hospital could take a premature child and hope for it's survival.

20 years ago I had a girlfriend who had a baby at UofM hospital in Ann Arbor Mi. I asked the doctor how early they could keep a premature baby alive. Then they could take a baby at nearly 2 full months short of full term. That was 20 years ago at a leading medical facillity, so I imagine they can keep a very early baby alive today.


226 posted on 03/30/2005 8:14:37 AM PST by cripplecreek (I'm apathetic but really don't care.)
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To: ohioWfan

"One question, DC............why did you sign up on FR just a few days ago?"

I do not mind you asking at all. I have been a reader for about the last 4 months, but decided to sign up and start participating in the forums recently (10 days ago)


227 posted on 03/30/2005 8:16:04 AM PST by DollarCoins
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To: DollarCoins
Ah.......but Terri clearly wants to live. If she didn't, she wouldn't be surviving the painful starvation process she is being put through.

(There are nurses who have signed sworn affidavits that they fed her through the mouth.......we don't have the full story, which is why we need a new investigation with current medical testing).

228 posted on 03/30/2005 8:16:39 AM PST by ohioWfan ("If My people, which are called by My name, will humble themselves and pray.....")
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To: DollarCoins
You signed up to say that Christians historically killed thousands of people (previous thread), and to say that Terri Schiavo should be killed as well?

May I ask if you're a conservative?

229 posted on 03/30/2005 8:18:31 AM PST by ohioWfan ("If My people, which are called by My name, will humble themselves and pray.....")
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To: ohioWfan

"Ah.......but Terri clearly wants to live. If she didn't, she wouldn't be surviving the painful starvation process she is being put through"

This makes no sense. Patients are given a window of 2-3 weeks before they pass away.


230 posted on 03/30/2005 8:19:03 AM PST by DollarCoins
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To: ohioWfan

I am a conservative and a Christian as well as rationale.


231 posted on 03/30/2005 8:20:02 AM PST by DollarCoins
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To: DollarCoins
And you, as a Christian, are just fine with taking a non-terminal patient's life painfully over a 2 to 3 week period? One, like Terri, for whom there is NO proof that she wants to die?

(And as a Christian, why do you not know that those who engaged in mass murder in the name of Christianity were not followers of Jesus Christ?)

Sorry if I doubt you, but we have been invaded by many pretenders in the past week, on both sides of this argument.

232 posted on 03/30/2005 8:25:54 AM PST by ohioWfan ("If My people, which are called by My name, will humble themselves and pray.....")
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To: ohioWfan
"Sorry if I doubt you, but we have been invaded by many pretenders in the past week, on both sides of this argument."

You're right to doubt. I've seen some of his/her/its other posts and I am suspicious myself.

233 posted on 03/30/2005 8:28:34 AM PST by safeasthebanks ("The most rewarding part, was when he gave me my money!" - Dr. Nick)
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To: safeasthebanks
Lots of wolves hanging around here lately..........some more polite than others, but all with the goal of roiling the pot, and making trouble.

Call me skeptical. Thanks for your post.

234 posted on 03/30/2005 8:33:04 AM PST by ohioWfan ("If My people, which are called by My name, will humble themselves and pray.....")
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To: ohioWfan

"And you, as a Christian, are just fine with taking a non-terminal patient's life painfully over a 2 to 3 week period? One, like Terri, for whom there is NO proof that she wants to die?"

I am not sure how to answer your questions because I do not agree with things you state. I believe Terri is terminal. (ie. Permanent Vegetative State). I also believe that by law the proof is in her husbands testimony. I believe that the law should be upheld at all times and that is the very reason the that laws are created.

I am not sure whether you read all my posts relating to your second question, but if you did, you would realize I was using it as merely a comparison.


235 posted on 03/30/2005 8:35:35 AM PST by DollarCoins
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To: cripplecreek

I don't know if there is an absolute line on fetal age. Survival seems to be dependent on birth weight.

Haven't you seen the Logan thread and the more recent thread on the tiny baby in Mobile, Alabama.

Both of them are FReepers babies. Logan is pretty much the unofficial mascot of FreeRepublic.

His life has been documented from birth, ventilator and months in PICU to going home, first steps, first birthday.

He was about as big as a man's palm.


236 posted on 03/30/2005 8:36:54 AM PST by TASMANIANRED (Never let your life be determined by the prejudice of a Physician.)
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To: Gondring
It's only MS's word!

Hearsay!
237 posted on 03/30/2005 8:37:50 AM PST by Mrs.Nooseman
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To: L.N. Smithee

He is actually that clueless!


238 posted on 03/30/2005 8:40:11 AM PST by Mrs.Nooseman
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To: DollarCoins

Your arrogance is exceeded only by your ignorance.


239 posted on 03/30/2005 8:40:37 AM PST by TASMANIANRED (Never let your life be determined by the prejudice of a Physician.)
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To: cripplecreek
Newborn babies often don't breathe on their own.

Careful. Gondring might want them dead, too.

240 posted on 03/30/2005 8:41:32 AM PST by Lazamataz (Cleverly Arranging 1's And 0's Since 11110111011...)
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