Schiavo father: 'Down to her last hours'

CNN ^ | March 25, 2005

[Shooter 2.5]

Sass Jordan - Make you a believer

[Destro]

withhold food and water from an otherwise healthy woman (physically) until she is dead?

Maybe that is the problem here - you seem to not think the brain is part of the physical body. She has had massive brain damage so massive that the cerberal cortex has shriveled and it has been replaced with spinal fluid. The outside body is healthy but a great portion of her internal body has atrophied away. Sadly, this condition is like a chicken with its head cut off - the body still runs around but their is no brain behind it. This is sort of what has happened to Terri and to other PVS victims - only the automatic functions of the body exist - on autopilot.

[Destro]

I will take the word of people under oath in court over 2 nurses who never testified in court.

[Destro]

You are reaching - PVS is not covered in the AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT of 1990.

[Destro]

Cruzan remained in a coma for approximately three weeks, and then progressed to an unconscious state in which she was able to orally ingest some nutrition.

The human throat has an automatic swallow reflex along with an automatic choke reflex - which is why you hold the tongue down for people that are unconscious - If you put water substances into the mouth it will attempt to swallow. But if you put the spoon or cup to the lip no attempt will be made to ingest.

[Destro]

Disputed everywhere but where it counts - in court.

[Gondring]

Mrs. Schiavo's rights matter. She would still be allowed to pass unmolested, right? She's being allowed to go without the feeding tube based on the decision of the court, not Mr. Schiavo's decision, right?

[Destro]

People in a PVS are not considered disabled - labeling her disabled is an attempt to make it look like euthanasia - the Florida legislature and courts have ruled that removal of life support from people in a PVS is not euthanasia.

[Destro]

Then have the Florida Legislature vote in an ammendment to their law stating tehy define next of kin in marriage as a husband or wife that while the patient is in a PVS does not engage in sexual activity of any kins in order to keep that status.

So undense yourself and learn a little about the law. The judge ruled according to Flordia Law and Florida law is clear that the husband is the legal next of kin and thus the decision maker - not the parents. The judge could not have reached any other verdict.

[Destro]

I keep sayig our opinion does not matter - the court ruled she is in a PVS - the only authority that can make such a claim under Florida law after review of the facts.

[Destro]

Then have the Florida Legislature vote in an ammendment to their law stating tehy define next of kin in marriage as a husband or wife that while the patient is in a PVS does not engage in sexual activity of any kins in order to keep that status.

Learn a little about the law. The judge ruled according to Flordia Law and Florida law is clear that the husband is the legal next of kin and thus the decision maker - not the parents. The judge could not have reached any other verdict.

[freebilly]

Disputed everywhere but where it counts - in court.

Apparently Judge Greer doesn't believe it's disputed anywhere....

[Petronski]

Florida legislature and courts have ruled that removal of life support from people in a PVS is not euthanasia.

Then in this case, they are an ass. PVS is a disability.

[Destro]

That is only according to you - some Buddhists think steping on ants is murder also - we don't listen to them either.

[Petronski]

Don't be pedantic. Who credibly argues that PVS is not a handicapped? How do you define it?

[Petronski]

...the Florida legislature and courts have ruled that removal of life support from people in a PVS is not euthanasia.

The Third Reich ordered that killing Jews was merely a matter of racial hygeine.

That doesn't make it right.

[MarMema]

Doesn't have a thing to do with her situation, Des. Her own father, who was about to kill her, noted on television how strongly Nancy reacted to the nurse coming into the room and opening her can of liquid food.

So she was not PVS.

[MarMema]

Frontline, the death of nancy cruzan

"Mr. CRUZAN: What are you having today, steak?

NURSE: Iamolite.

Mr. CRUZAN: Boy, she sure responds to that voice.

NURSE: Yeah, she does. I can come in here and--

[Destro]

hyperbolye - not even the same thing.

[Proud_texan]

Wow, what a story! I'm glad you're not wearing the screen name of "Righty"!

The whole idea that food and water are somehow medical treatment simply strikes me as so absurd as to be nothing more than a cover for evil mischief.