Oh yes, Pilate. Pilate washed his hands saying there is nothing he can do about it.
This thread is a hand washing thread.
Posted on 03/25/2005 5:21:18 AM PST by mhking
My position on the Schiavo matter has vascilated back and forth over the past few days as I've agonized over the matter.
Should she be given a chance at life? If so, what kind of life are we talking about? Is there a chance at rehabilitation? Is Michael Schiavo an evil S.O.B., or is he simply a heart-broken man?
Conversely, is she truly in a vegetative state? A virtual zombie with eyes open, and nothing inside? Are her parents and family in denial about her pain and suffering? Are the evangelicals coming to her aid getting so worked up that they are looking past the true nature of this situation?
Difficult questions these. Who wins? Who loses?
There is no winner here. This situation is heartbreaking at the core. A vibrant woman struck down in the prime of her life. A myriad of doctors, most of whom have indicated that much of her brain tissue has deteriorated and possibly even liquified inside her skull. CAT scans that support that diagnosis.
Conversely, we see her eyes focusing on a balloon, we see her apparently responding to people entering her limited field of vision.
What do we believe?
After 22 different judges have agonized over this, they all have come to the same decision: that her husband has the right to make that agonizing decision.
Talk show host Neil Boortz has taken the stance that Terri Schiavo has earned her place in heaven, and that we, as a people, should let her go home.
Do you believe in God’s promise of everlasting life? Do you believe that the reward for a life well spent on this earth is a life with God in heaven after you die? If you do, then a few more questions if you will.Jesus awaits Terri Schiavo at the gates of heaven with open arms. He will grant her eternal rest. He loves all, no matter which side of this sad story the people are on.Do you believe that the human soul can make the transition to everlasting life while the human body that carried that soul through life clings to life on this earth? If you do, then you must surely believe that Terri Schiavo has earned and is already enjoying her reward in heaven. That being the case, why is it so important to you that the now-unneeded body of Terri Schiavo is kept alive?
But perhaps you believe, as I do, that the human soul is so connected to and integrated with its earthly body that any transition will not be made until that body ceases functioning -- until death occurs.. That being the case, why do you so ardently desire that the soul of Terri Schiavo spend five, ten, perhaps 30 years or more trapped in a useless and non-functioning body, unable to move on to whatever reward awaits her? Isn’t 15 years enough?
Where do your concerns truly lie, with the eternal soul of Terri Schiavo, or with her earthly body?
Let her go home. We can only commend her spirit among the angels for the journey.
Sadly, those who damn the judges and politicians and those of us who wish her spirit to move on are going to fracture the fragile fabric of the conservative wing of the GOP. In their zeal to ignore the rule of law and the Constitutional process, they are sliding down the slippery slope of anarchy toward mob rule.
This is a land of laws, not men. And the political problems that are surfacing -- on both sides -- point toward the deterioration of our constitutional republic. Are you ready for that? Are you ready for that will mean in the future?
I weep for Terri Schiavo today. But I fear for more tears in our future, thanks to those who would wad up the Constitutional protections and freedoms wrought by the notion of ignoring the rule of law, simply because those in power didn't get their way.
When we start agreeing with courts issuing orders not to let food or water pass a human beings lips, for me that is a bridge too far.
When we accept the argument that the marriage contract is not a contract but simply a quaint old custom, I can't agree.
So, rather than let my temper get the best of me on Good Friday, I'll take a break from politics which is probably well needed.
For making me realize that I thank you Mike.
Happy easter, God bless.
No Appeals Courts to appeal to either when it comes to God's judgement, is there? NO Fl SC to overturn His ruling.
Proving once again that it is better to give than to receive.
Post of the morning, thank you.
No. There were three who testified as to Terri's comments when Terri saw her grandmother dying on a hospital bed. All three were Schiavo's. Michaels, his brother, Scott, and Scott's wife. Terri's blood family also testified as to Terri's wishes, and gave the opposite impression. The error is with the "finder of fact" as to what Terri's wishes truly are.
I find the error eggregious, but I am not a judge and have no power, so as a matter of law settled wrong, she wishes to die.
I abhor the "ethics" of causing death by starvation too, but that is a separate subject.
Maybe the mods considered your post was more of a vanity (which I'm sure the mods are monitoring heavily right now). Michael (a writer with his own website) is essentially posting an article.
Well said. The image of that church in Germany in the 1940's singing louder during services as trains full of Jews are being transported to concentration camps comes to mind here.
If Terri had a living will of the model form that Florida statutes contain, then her starvartion would have been carried out by the hospice with no need to involve the court. Terri's wishes would have been infered from the writing she signed herself.
People die. None are exempt from this requirement. Rarely is our exit from this realm pleasant. Whether by dying one inch at a time from cancer or by blunt force trauma from an automobile accident, "good" people sometimes suffer.
God is in control here. We are witnesses to His instruction. Try to learn from all of this . . .
Truly there are things of this realm of life worse than the transformation we are given at death. One of those would be having Michael Schiavo as a "guardian" to someone requiring medical care.
Oh yes, Pilate. Pilate washed his hands saying there is nothing he can do about it.
This thread is a hand washing thread.
All of this is ripe for debate. There are differing opinions of qualified medical caregivers. Her "wishes" were expressed by the Schiavo trio and no one else. That alone is reason to let her live. My God. It's deplorable that a reason is even needed. She is a human being. A flawed one no doubt. Nevertheless, she is a living human being.
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It is very appropriate...this is what happens when people abandon principles.
So you kinda agree with this post then...
God Is Merciful Enough To Offer Life Beyond Feeding Tubes (Christian Must Read)
Posted on 03/23/2005 10:37:27 AM CST by wallcrawlr
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1368873/posts
What is Gods will?
My friend that is a Question that has been questioned everytime someone dies.
Horatio B Spafford said it best after he lost his entire Family
When peace, like a river, attendeth my way,
When sorrows like sea billows roll;
Whatever my lot, Thou has taught me to say,
It is well, it is well, with my soul.
It is well, with my soul,
It is well, with my soul,
It is well, it is well, with my soul.
Though Satan should buffet, though trials should come,
Let this blest assurance control,
That Christ has regarded my helpless estate,
And hath shed His own blood for my soul.
My sin, oh, the bliss of this glorious thought!
My sin, not in part but the whole,
Is nailed to the cross, and I bear it no more,
Praise the Lord, praise the Lord, O my soul!
For me, be it Christ, be it Christ hence to live:
If Jordan above me shall roll,
No pang shall be mine, for in death as in life
Thou wilt whisper Thy peace to my soul.
It is well, with my soul,
It is well, with my soul,
It is well, it is well, with my soul.
But, Lord, ‘tis for Thee, for Thy coming we wait,
The sky, not the grave, is our goal;
Oh trump of the angel! Oh voice of the Lord!
Blessèd hope, blessèd rest of my soul!
And Lord, haste the day when my faith shall be sight,
The clouds be rolled back as a scroll;
The trump shall resound, and the Lord shall descend,
Even so, it is well with my soul.
It is well, with my soul,
It is well, with my soul,
It is well, it is well, with my soul.
It takes great Faith in the Soverienty of Father God to say those words and not just Sing them
If one came to know Christ thought the killing of the Lundsford girl was it worth her death? Her parents and Family may say NO! But the one that was saved from eternal damnation says YES and is eternally grateful.
There lies the juxtaposition.
I belive its Gods Will that everyone Should come to know Christ and live by Faith in Him. I say again His ways are not ours and His Thoughts are not yours or mine.
You didn't know the law was an ass? And the lawyers are mostly all asswipes.
Yes, Terri will go on to heaven and be with our Lord (assuming she accepted redemption in Jesus, which seems likely). But think of her Mom, Dad, sister, and brother. They love her. They are crushed and are going to be even more heartbroken beyond what we know. They will think about and sorely miss Terri every day for the rest of their lives. Years from now they will still cry about her. It is awful that the courts and Michael did this to them.
It's pure sentimentalistic wish-fulfillment to yarn on (as you are not doing) about how "better off" she'll be once she dies, when we simply don't know. (I blogged on that very theme, which we see so disconcertingly often at FR -- people we don't like go straight to Hell, but people we like [irrespective of any evidence of a relationship to Christ] go straight to Heaven.)
Dan
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