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Jeb Bush may take Terri Schiavo into state care
Times On Line.UK ^ | 3/25/2005 | Jenny Booth, Times Online and Tim Reid

Posted on 03/25/2005 4:33:23 AM PST by ex-Texan

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To: Pinetop

Yes he could, and then what...we would go back to the courts and the whole thing would start over again.

The only way Terri could be saved is if she were somehow taken out of the country.

Even if she was taken to another state, she would eventually be returned to the state of Florida and Florida courts.


101 posted on 03/25/2005 5:56:28 AM PST by dawn53
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To: Bear_Slayer
Having witnessed the end of Timothy McVeigh, I would have to disagree with calling his actions "in principle, i.e standing up to government." He planned and committed cold-hearted murder, period.

With all due respects, if you are only willing to join a fight someone else has started, and not stand up for what you see as wrong on your own or start the fight because you see the injustice, then you truly lack the courage of your convictions.

102 posted on 03/25/2005 5:57:34 AM PST by Military family member (If pro is the opposite of con and con the opposite of pro, then the opposite of Progress is Congress)
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To: merry10
If I were in Florida I would vote for Gov. Bush. He has done all he absolutely can. Why are people advocating he takes this further?

1)There is a fair amount of evidence that the estranged husband abused Terri and may have, in fact, been involved in her original medical problem.

2)The husband has an enormous conflict of interest in deciding Terri's fate. Her demise not only frees him to marry the mother of his two bastard children but also it provides an inheritance to him.

3)The judge who heard this case has an enormous conflict of interest since it is reported that Greer accepted campaign contributions from lawyers who represented Schiavo.

4)A number of nurses have come forward to report that the estranged husband halted therapy for Terri and asked 'when is the bitch going to die'.

5)One of the nurses claims that the estranged husband shot Terri up with insulin behind closed doors on at least one of his visits to her.

6)The parents have hope and want her to be kept alive. Since Terri was with them for 21 years and the estranged husband for only 5 years, it seems that they would know far better as to what Terri wants.

Reinserting the feeding tube is now a matter of preserving evidence for a criminal case against the estranged husband...... And Jeb Bush should immediately act to preserve Terri as evidence so that Michael gets his 'fair' day in court.

103 posted on 03/25/2005 5:58:41 AM PST by eeriegeno
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To: dawn53

There's got to be hundreds of churches in that area. I keep wondering why the church members aren't at the hospice. There's one lady in a wheelchair whose been there everyday, even iin the rain, God Bless her.


104 posted on 03/25/2005 5:59:59 AM PST by pickyourpoison (" Laus Deo ")
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To: Bear_Slayer
Terri's death will not end the debate. Those who believe this issue is a 70/30 split are wrong IMHO. There are simply too many mothers watching the courts denying Terri's mother the opportunity to care for her. NO MOTHER will see the "wisdom" of the court in this. A backlash will ensue.

Oh and I'm not a woman or mother.
105 posted on 03/25/2005 6:00:28 AM PST by Family_Before_Party
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To: KenmcG414
I agree. He does not have the guts to do anything. He should have acted strongly early last year. But he ignored this issue, hoping it would go away. Now everything he does, every statement he makes or refuses to make is under a spotlight. So be it. Let the chickens 'come home to roast.'

I support Terri Schiavo. Have been supporting her for two years. If I had been the governor of Florida, I would have acted early in 2004. Perhaps Terri might be getting the rehabilitation she needed today, perhaps her husband would be under arrest, and perhaps I would have been impeached. Instead, we got high profile political football and pathetic sound bites.

Life is tough! Wake up, Jeb, and something!

106 posted on 03/25/2005 6:01:38 AM PST by ex-Texan (Mathew 7:1 through 6)
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To: tickles

CNN had a documentary about how the poor Polar Bears in the North Pole are starving. POLAR BEARS. They waste their sympathies on bears but not on people. These liberals and their MSM make me ill!


107 posted on 03/25/2005 6:01:49 AM PST by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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To: Archangelsk

When did we become a nation of laws? I thought we were a nation of soveriegns? Even the Florida Constitution acknowleges that ALL power rests with the people. Just because some a$$hole judge makes his own law doesn't mean he has the power to do so, and that the law need be obeyed.

Due process has been denied. Someone is being deprived of life without due process. That alone is reason enough for a governor to act.


108 posted on 03/25/2005 6:05:02 AM PST by Critter (America, home of the whipped.)
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To: alicewonders
Oh, please, stop blaming the liberals and the Media for your lot in life.

That is no better than the person who says, I can't help it if I smoke, it's big tobacco's fault.

Greer, once again, is a conservative Republican. Take alook at his overall record.

The Bush 41 appointee to the 11th circuit court voted against the TRO and a further hearing. The Clinton appointee, one of them, voted in favor of putting the tube it. Doesn't that tell you that this is an issue of LAW?

This is not a Conservative vs. Liberal issue. It is not a GOP v. Dems issue.

Don't you realize that by blaming the liberals and MSM you are as guilty of politicizing this event as they are!

Stick to the issues

109 posted on 03/25/2005 6:05:50 AM PST by Military family member (If pro is the opposite of con and con the opposite of pro, then the opposite of Progress is Congress)
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To: Military family member
Having witnessed the end of Timothy McVeigh, I would have to disagree with calling his actions "in principle, i.e standing up to government." He planned and committed cold-hearted murder, period.

You confuse the two. In principle, what he did was stand up to big government. In practice, he murdered 187 people.

With all due respects, if you are only willing to join a fight someone else has started, and not stand up for what you see as wrong on your own or start the fight because you see the injustice, then you truly lack the courage of your convictions

It is not that I lack the courage of my convictions; I make an observation about many. The cost, even as little as it is, is too high, at the present. That is why many, wait to pick their battles.

Am I a coward? Maybe - but I'm waiting for the 2nd shot heard round the world and then, if it is a good fight - I'll get in.
110 posted on 03/25/2005 6:07:33 AM PST by Bear_Slayer (If you're gonna be a Knight act like a Knight.)
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To: Marysecretary
My local news station did several seconds on Terri then went into a segment on fastfood salad.

The MSM is pathetic!
111 posted on 03/25/2005 6:09:44 AM PST by Bear_Slayer (If you're gonna be a Knight act like a Knight.)
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To: Military family member
"they are not the law of the land"

Some things precede law and work as a structural adjunct to achieving stasis.

112 posted on 03/25/2005 6:11:34 AM PST by paulsy
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To: merry10

I don't care where you stand on this issue (Terri) and I don't much care what you want to say about it..but your last two sentences really burned my b*tt.

Don't even go there with the vegetative states in the nursing home. I have had two grandmothers die with ataxia..its long..its debilitating..and its frustrating. And yes..YOU would call them vegetative..I call them trapped.

What IS the point of nursing homes ..WHO should they be full of? Are we just supposed to shoot whoever comes up physically or mentally lame? Gee whiz. We all gotta get outta here somehow. Some of us are gonna go quick..and some are gonna be like Terri and my grandmothers.

Is it fun to watch? No..so what. Is it gut wrenching? Yes..so what. Is it the price we pay for being born, loved and or human? Yes..and its worth it.


113 posted on 03/25/2005 6:13:13 AM PST by stillafreemind
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To: Bear_Slayer
If you're gonna be a Knight act like a Knight.

I am not calling you a coward, but wouldn't a knight recuse fair maiden, then worry about the rest?

As for McVeigh, I am not confusing the two. Elevate McVeigh's actions to the level of principle is like say Charles Manson struck a blow against the evils of Hollywood. There was nothing noble in what McVeigh did to the 187 people. He was a coward.

114 posted on 03/25/2005 6:13:53 AM PST by Military family member (If pro is the opposite of con and con the opposite of pro, then the opposite of Progress is Congress)
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To: merry10
So you want Governor Bush to go in there with WHAT? The National Guard vs. the policemen guarding her? Sounds like you want a riot.

Oh of course, you're right. Let's preserve the public order, that's more important than saving Terri Schivo's life.

Tell you what. Go spend your time in a nursing home with people in vegetative states. I am sure they would enjoy your company.


I better hurry then, I suspect you'll be along shortly to yank their feeding tubes and put a pillow over their face.
115 posted on 03/25/2005 6:15:10 AM PST by Mad Mammoth
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To: paulsy
That's true, but let's not delude ourselves into think the prose and poetry of Jefferson's word grants us rights in and of themselves. The Declaration simply gave us the right to ultimately create the Constitution. As someone else recently said or wrote:

If the "pursuit of happiness" were law, every druggie in the country would have used it in court.

116 posted on 03/25/2005 6:18:05 AM PST by Military family member (If pro is the opposite of con and con the opposite of pro, then the opposite of Progress is Congress)
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To: Military family member
You still misunderstand

Tim's principle was to strike a blow at big government. In practice he murdered 187 people. Mostly children and citizens.

And for that he received the death penalty - rightly.
117 posted on 03/25/2005 6:18:35 AM PST by Bear_Slayer (If you're gonna be a Knight act like a Knight.)
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To: pickyourpoison
Have we solved the Social Security problem?

The Euthanasia Advocates, i.e., Greer, Felos & Schiavo are doing their part, and our alleged political leaders are wringing their hands, so I would say we're well on our way to making Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare not only solvent, but bursting with surpluses.

As a demented Microsoft software engineer might say, 'Who do you want to kill today?'
118 posted on 03/25/2005 6:19:00 AM PST by Mad Mammoth
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To: zippee
I believe it is legal since they 'proved' that Terri didn't want to live this way in a court of law. (Even though everyone knows it's BS).....and also because Dr.s say she is PVS (More BS)....so I think it's legal.

Absolutely not because courts only have the power the legislatures give them to order the removal of "artificial" or "extraordinary" means of life support, unless they have legalized euthanasia or doctor assisted suicide. I don't think Florida has either one.

There is nothing artificial about taking food and water by mouth just like every other human being. Courts cannot go beyond that to removing even the opportunity of taking nourishment naturally. That is euthanasia or even judge enforced suicide but I would simple call it what it is -- murder by judge. What would happen if a Bush Team entered the hospice with the appropriate federal and state health officials and her parents and announced they were going to give her water orally? Who would stop them? Why obey an illegal and inhumane order? All the enforcement people there are under the governor's jurisdiction, not Greer's. Perhaps the people carring on the vigil outside should start chanting GIVE TERRI WATER!

Even the worst outcome, Terri choking and dying right then is better than what is happening now. We all know she is dying anyway and there is always the chance she might be able to handle water and later dilute food. Her parents want to give her that chance and she has the right as a human being to that opportunity.

"We the people" need to demonstrate that we are a humane people who do not stand by and do nothing while a judge enforces an illegal order to deny giving her water by mouth and Jeb or George Bush have to be the vehicle for doing this.

119 posted on 03/25/2005 6:19:50 AM PST by politeia
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To: Family_Before_Party

I would have agreed with you. I would have thought the issue would stir feelings in the disabled, as well as mothers.

But I have MS and read a couple well known MS forum boards.

You would think that the majority of people with disabilities, like MS, and possibly facing a feeding tube at some point would support the right for Terri to live, but that is not what I've found.

What happens more often is that people put themselves in Terri's place and say they would not want to live that way and therefore, sanction the removing of the feeding tube.

There are a few that stand up for "life", but not many.

Of course, these are people that have Living Wills, and Health Care Surrogate papers drawn up and are ready if the "worst case scenario" should happen.

Judging by the amount of people at the Hospice in Pinellas Park, it seems the "outrage" of conservatives is poured out on the internet and not in real life.


120 posted on 03/25/2005 6:20:38 AM PST by dawn53
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