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Presidential Pardon Could Neutralize Judge Greer
Newsmax.com ^ | 3/24/05 | Carl Limacher and Newsmax staff

Posted on 03/24/2005 3:29:58 PM PST by carl in alaska

Legal experts say that if Florida Gov. Jeb Bush defies state judge George Greer and orders state troopers to rescue Terri Schiavo, he and any other officials who participate in such a move risk a contempt citation from Greer that could put them in jail.

But with a powerful ally in the White House, Terri Schiavo's would-be rescuers have nothing to fear from the runaway judge.

In 2001, President Clinton pardoned drug dealers, international money launderers - even FALN terrorists, who were spared in a blatant bid to win votes for his wife's Senate campaign.

The episode taught a bewildered nation that the powers of the president to pardon anyone he wishes are absolute and irrefutable.

Today, Clinton is the most popular American politician in the world and his wife is the frontrunning candidate for her party's presidential nomination. In other words, the Pardongate scandal's lasting political fallout was nil.

He even pardoned his own brother, who had been convicted of selling cocaine.

Should Gov. Bush decide to rescue Terri Schiavo by force in violation of Judge Greer's order, President Bush could do the same for his brother - along with any other officials the right-to-die judge tries to punish.

Would there be controversy? You bet. Would the Bush family's political enemies try to capitalize? Absolutely.

But a nation that forgives one president for pardoning terrorists will certainly forgive another who uses his pardon power to save a life.

Once Terri Schiavo begins to receive the treatment she's been denied for more than a decade, her condition will almost certainly improve. Nurses who have cared for her have already testified she can speak and eat without a feeding tube, in stark contradiction of Judge Greer's findings.

Terri's recovery, however minimal, would serve as powerful evidence that the Bush brothers did the right thing in coming to her rescue.

In the meantime, the nation would be spared the haunting specter of its government starving an innocent citizen to death.


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To: Poohbah

Another apt analogy. Politicians are our patrons not our representatives.


141 posted on 03/24/2005 6:41:23 PM PST by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do.)
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To: Dog Gone

I agree. it would be different if the polls were flipped the other way, but they aren't, and this plan would be a nightmare.


142 posted on 03/24/2005 6:43:35 PM PST by oceanview
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To: TigersEye
Another apt analogy. Politicians are our patrons not our representatives.

I see you're being extremely obtuse.

If the religious right expects politicians to represent them to the degree that they're presently demanding, then they'd better generate enough votes to keep those representatives in office and elect new ones. If they don't do so, then the politicians who represented them will lose the next election, and a group of politicians who do not represent the religious right will win the next election. More to the point, the politicians who lost the election would not ever trust the religious right again.

143 posted on 03/24/2005 6:47:10 PM PST by Poohbah (If it's called "collateral damage," how come I can't use it to secure a loan?)
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To: dirtboy

How so? Where all the people Clinton pardoned "federal" issues? I think not.


144 posted on 03/24/2005 6:49:50 PM PST by greccogirl ("Freedom belongs to those who are willing to sacrifice the most for it")
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To: BurbankKarl

Jeb Bush has no political future.


145 posted on 03/24/2005 6:53:26 PM PST by Edmund Burke
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To: Nathaniel Fischer


I was just noting that he calls himself a moron, moron.


146 posted on 03/24/2005 7:22:28 PM PST by spycatcher
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To: Poohbah

I have a long way to go to be as obtuse as you are. You actually buy the idea that the "religious right" delivered wins to Bush and the GOP. Funny, in 2000 it was the NRA. Bush I lost in '92 because of "read my lips." In '80 it was "an end to the malaise." What kind of dolt actually thinks there is a "religious right?" Moral values may have had a significant role last election but it's laughable to think only church going Christians voted on them.


147 posted on 03/24/2005 7:29:00 PM PST by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do.)
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To: TigersEye
You actually buy the idea that the "religious right" delivered wins to Bush and the GOP.

Actually, I don't--their contribution is sharply overstated. I'm saying that the "religious right" is taking out a huge loan of goodwill, and that they will be expected to make good on their end of the deal. If they don't, they're going to be seriously hosed.

148 posted on 03/24/2005 7:31:21 PM PST by Poohbah (If it's called "collateral damage," how come I can't use it to secure a loan?)
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To: Poohbah

Well it won't hurt to bad since "they" don't exist. LOL


149 posted on 03/24/2005 7:53:03 PM PST by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do.)
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To: squarebarb

Republicans are wimps--scared of Democrats and mainstream media. They haven't done squat about illegal immigration, affirmative action, appointing conservatives to the Supreme Court, or reducing the size and power of the Federal government. Bush is being led around the nose by Vincente Fox and Hispanic pressure groups. His Treasury Department is even encouraging banks to set up accounts for illegal aliens in direct violation of the law that prohibits businesses from deriving commercial benefits from illegal aliens. What bother to vote for these people? They are merely Democrat-lite.


150 posted on 03/24/2005 8:10:05 PM PST by WestSylvanian
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To: ml1954

A voice of reason!


152 posted on 03/24/2005 9:50:36 PM PST by Jorge
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To: Walkin Man
See how much the Rat party will do for ya folks!

Ask yourself that question, your ilk is killing the vote margin you need to stay in power.

153 posted on 03/24/2005 9:54:58 PM PST by itsahoot (There are some things more painful than the truth, but I can't think of them.)
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To: Poohbah
the evangelicals will rightly earn the title of "worthless backstabbing, treasonous, disloyal bastards."

Stuffit poo

154 posted on 03/24/2005 10:07:43 PM PST by itsahoot (There are some things more painful than the truth, but I can't think of them.)
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To: Poohbah
If they don't do so, then the politicians who represented them will lose the next election, and a group of politicians who do not represent the religious right will win the next election. More to the point, the politicians who lost the election would not ever trust the religious right again.

Ok send me the thirty pieces of silver.........</sarcasm>

155 posted on 03/24/2005 10:12:01 PM PST by itsahoot (There are some things more painful than the truth, but I can't think of them.)
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To: carl in alaska

So many vigilante articles, so little time.


156 posted on 03/24/2005 10:13:17 PM PST by Torie
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To: All
In short, the GOP has given you all you could legitimately demand. You'd better cough up the votes in 2006 and 2008, or you're going to be in the same position as a guy who stiffs a loanshark.

It's cute watching the liberal end of the GOP make threats.

157 posted on 03/25/2005 6:23:11 AM PST by jmc813 (PLAYBOY ISN'T PORN;YES,PLAYBOY ID PORN ... ONLY PHOTOGRAPHED PORN IS PORN)
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To: mysto
the President in granting a full pardon would seem to intend--that the person be reinstated to his full rights as a citizen... we conclude that a presidential pardon restores state as well as federal civil rights."

It restored state civil rights. But the president cannot pardon state crimes. Try again.

158 posted on 03/25/2005 6:59:55 AM PST by dirtboy (Drooling moron since 1998...)
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To: OneTimeLurker; spycatcher

Re: post #160:

"In relevant part: "Under the Constitution, only federal criminal convictions, such as those obtained in the United States District Courts, may be pardoned by the President. In addition, the President's pardon power extends to convictions obtained in the Superior Court of the District of Columbia and military court-martial proceedings. However, the President cannot pardon a state criminal offense."

Spycatcher: next time, get your facts straight before calling into question someone else's intelligence, lest you demonstrate failings of your own.


159 posted on 03/25/2005 7:02:51 AM PST by dirtboy (Drooling moron since 1998...)
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To: ontos-on
Thanks for being big enough to apologize, unlike many people on this thread who hurled invectitude and then slunkoff when proven wrong.

After all, does anyone here think the founders would have granted the president the power to overturn state or local court decisions with a pardon? C'mon...

160 posted on 03/25/2005 7:06:43 AM PST by dirtboy (Drooling moron since 1998...)
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