MOSCOW PREPARES RESPONSE TO DUDAYEV SQUARE IN WARSAW (tit for tat)

RIA Novosti ^ | 2005-03-24

[jb6]

MOSCOW, March 24. (RIA Novosti)-A square bearing the name of the first leader of Chechen militants Dzokhar Dudayev has been opened in the Polish capital. The Warsaw city authorities adopted the decision on the initiative of the Law and Justice party supported by Warsaw President Lech Kaczynski, writes Vremya Novostei.

Guided by the principle of a "symmetrical response," the Russian Foreign Ministry has approached the Moscow city authorities with a request to prepare an appropriate reaction.

Yesterday, Moscow City Duma Speaker Vladimir Platonov and Mayor Yury Luzhkov signed a joint statement calling the Warsaw authorities' decision "an unfriendly and openly provocative gesture." Moscow accused the Polish legislators of "inspiring bandits for new atrocities by honoring the name of an international terrorist leader" and declared it would "review the substance of partnership" with the Polish capital.

Platonov revealed that one argument in the dialogue with Warsaw colleagues could be a similar initiative to rename Klimashkin Street in Moscow, where the Polish embassy is located, to General Mikhail Muravyov Street. In 1863-1864, the general ruthlessly crushed an uprising in Poland, which was attempting to gain independence from the Russian Empire. Although an official decision has not been made, Platonov believes that the use of historical analogues (the notorious figure of General Muravyov, for instance) in a political dialogue is quite appropriate.

For now, Moscow's authorities are willing to limit their actions to a statement addressed to their Warsaw counterparts, which contains a demand to "reverse the provocative decision." However, if a positive answer is not received, the Moscow City Duma night well seriously consider hanging the name of the street where the Polish Embassy stands.

[MplsSteve]

I could easily see the Russians re-name a public area "Katyn Forest Park" as retaliation.

[Tarkin]

I'm not surprised with the decission of Warsaw city council. The Poles have lots of sympathy for the Chechens.

[Tarkin]

Yeah but then the Poles will rename the street at which the russian embassy resides to: "Stanislaw Zolkiewski street" (the only leader in the post-mongol times that actually captured Moscow, in 1609)

[Lion in Winter]

See what happens when people do silly things to aggrevate others.... the others then turn around and do the same darn silly thing.

The Poles and the Russians will be acting like children over this naming streets/squares "business".

I have a BIG solution....for both of them... name the squares/streets FOR .... DOCTOR MARTIN LUTHER KING !! That would be nice and both sides could be happy and proud of themselves.

THEY WOULD BE LIKE EVERY MAJOR CITY IN THE USA.

I, for one like this idea and will email each country's embassy and suggest it.

I, too have a dream... world peace.

Sounds of birds chirping, bees buzzing....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[lizol]

Russians are pis..d, that Warsaw gave some square name of the first Chechen President assasinated by their secret, special service.
And "the Russian Foreign Ministry has approached the Moscow city authorities with a request to prepare an appropriate reaction".

What's the difference between Poland and Russia is, that Polish Foreign Ministry could "approache" in such a case the Warsaw city authorities with the same result as Moscow's, or New York's.
The central government in Poland has no authority to make any Polish city to do anything like this.

The other thing is, that Russians have absolutely no problem with finding some famous "hero" who has buckets of Polish blood on his hand to give his name to some street - to pi...s the Poles. Whereas we had to find a Chechen.

And - what's important - the Russians have some experience in giving their cities names of famous butchers (or keeping such names after the fall of Soviet Union). They've never considered such a thing as anything wrong.

Let's take Kaliningrad as and example.

Mikhail Ivanovich Kalinin
Kalinin routinely signed execution lists together with other members of the Politburo, such as the authorization of the Katyn massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Kalinin

So - where is the problem, one butcher more, one less?
I think no one is going to notice it in Poland. Or just will not give a s..t about it.

[PAR35]

" Joachim von Ribbentrop Street" would be more subtle.

[dfwgator]

" Joachim von Ribbentrop Street" would be more subtle.

!?!

[PAR35]

Joachim von Ribbentrop

He was the German forign minister who made the treaty with Russia to split up Poland. I considered that a more subtle reference than "Katyn Forest Park" suggested by another poster. The topic was renaming a public feature in Moscow to offend the Poles in response to their naming of a public feature to honor a Muslim terrorist.

[chukcha]

Polish behaviour reminds me of French guards behind castle walls in Monthy Pyton's "Wholy Grail" - "I fart in you general direction!".

[chukcha]

correction - "your general direction!"

[Grzegorz 246]

What you talk general chukcha ?

[Grzegorz 246]

How Dudayev was a Muslim terrorist ?

[PAR35]

How Dudayev was a Muslim terrorist ?

I don't understand whether you are questioning whether he was a muslim, whether he was a terrorist, or whether he was a muslim terrorist.

Even the British media, generally soft on Muslims, calls him a "rebel leader". "It said the move was "an insult to the memory of the Russian victims of terror attacks... and an effective show of support for international terrorism".
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4370493.stm

" Khattab appears to have single-handedly turned Dudayev from a patriotic nationalist into an Islamic fundamentalist." http://www.polisci.ufl.edu/UF_Review/Articles/feature2.htm His family ties: " Dudayev's son-in-law, Salman Raduyev, was killed in battle. Raduyev, a bearded fanatical Chechen commander, led a group of rebels on a hostage-taking raid in southern Russia"
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9604/24/dudayev/

"Head of the Chechen rebellion"
http://www.nndb.com/people/833/000044701/

" From 1991 he ran Chechnya as his outpost of organized crime, delving into arms and drug smuggling that spawned a class of rich Mercedes-driving hustlers and thugs who lived in "air houses" because the money that built them seemed to come from the air."
http://www.fortunecity.com/boozers/ferret/451/profiles/ddudayev.htm

[Grzegorz 246]

"...an insult to the memory of the Russian victims of terror attacks"

Which attacks ? Dudayev was killed 8 years ago.

BTW What do you think about 250 thousand Chechen killed in last ten years ?

[Decombobulator]

You mean like the 250,000 people killed in Bosnia? Oh wait...