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"Terry Schiavo MUST Die"---(Liberals,Liberals,Liberals)
3/24/05 | redrock

Posted on 03/24/2005 8:02:41 AM PST by redrock

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To: First_Salute
R.,

We do value life.

It is the first major reason why we have a limited government.

We restrict the authority of government and its agents.

Students of NAZI Germany's rise to power and the NAZI's death camps, give anti-Semitism too much credit, when they should bother to make observations about the unlimited German government.

The Germans wanted a savior in government; "Yes! Please fix what's wrong. Something must be done about it!"; and so they picked somebody to rule absolutely, who in turn created a new government by decree, staffing it with people who did not value life.

There, on that note, is where anti-Semitism gained martial power - killing power.

Here in the States, now, yes, we do value life.

Yet we have some problems with the justice systems and the lawyers who play it as a game called "the legal system" instead of honoring it, which we rely upon - that is, we rely upon lawyers' honesty.

Unfortunately, we continue to find that we cannot rely upon lawyers' honesty.

We need some checks against the dishonest lawyers; it is they, that we must limit; their poor stewardship and judicial activism must be stopped from setting themselves up as a government by judiciary, and an unlimited one, at that.

This is one of the finest posts I have seen on FR in months. You deserve the First Salute!

Regards,

TS

21 posted on 03/25/2005 7:00:15 AM PST by The Shrew (www.swiftvets.com & www.wintersoldier.com - The Truth Shall Set YOU Free!)
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To: The Shrew; redrock; Avoiding_Sulla
Thanks, TS.

Our laws rely upon the honor of lawyers and the stewardship by lawyers; that they adhere; that they limit themselves to the law; that our laws are made by our legislatures; and, that our laws be respected and used for what they were originally intended.

Our laws also rely, upon the stewards respecting the value of life.

Yet, where we are supposed to have protection from unlimited government, by the checks and balances of federalism, we instead have the continuing growth of the judiciary's powers by setting itself above the law, making its own law, and claiming immunity from the checks.

My concern is that the stewards find little self-interest in limited government when it is *their government by judiciary,* and worse, they are under no limitations - nothing enumerates a requirement that they staff their government with people who respect the value of life.

People who fear anti-Semitism, should also fear an unlimited government by judiciary made up of people who do not value life.

The Judiciary no longer honors the principle of enumeration, that it be limited to only having the powers listed. We need an Amendment to our Constitution, that puts a stop to any chance of the Judiciary taking martial power.

22 posted on 03/25/2005 7:06:27 AM PST by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: TPartyType

Bump.


23 posted on 03/25/2005 7:11:34 AM PST by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: First_Salute
On a smaller scale...where do you turn...who do you trust to do the right thing...WHEN the lawyers are dishonest???

When the judges are operating outside the limits of the Law...and making it up as they go???

The only reasonable answer that you can come up with is that you turn to one of the other 2 branches of Government..(or start an insurection)...for relief of the problem.

It's in their court now.

On a larger scale....just how much do we (as Americans) value life??? Are we willing to let the state murder an innocent person? After all...Terry Sciavo was NOT dying...and is not in a 'vegetative' state. So, by removing her feeding tube, the state IS commiting murder.

Is this Nation comfortable with that idea??? Have we traveled so far down the 'Liberal Path' that we can just sit by and do nothing??

redrock

24 posted on 03/25/2005 7:51:43 AM PST by redrock (Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock. --Will Rogers)
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To: Mare
I've tried to stay out of it...but in the final hours...I can't.

For over 12 years I worked as a volunteer Hospice worker. I only worked with children and aids patients (at a time when no one else wanted to).

One of my patients (actually by the end..one of my friends) couldn't handle the pain any longer..and decided to remove their feeding tube and the I.V.'s keeping them alive. Almost to the end they were lucid.

I watched my friend die slowly from starvation.

Regardless of what you hear from some...it is NOT (I repeat..NOT) a pleasant way to go.

If Terry Schiavo is in any way awake ....she is feeling a lot of pain from this.

It is wrong.

redrock

25 posted on 03/25/2005 7:57:33 AM PST by redrock (Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock. --Will Rogers)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

I was thinking that very same thought last night.

More effort is given to save criminals from execution than to save a helpless woman who has commited no crime.

How twisted is that?


26 posted on 03/25/2005 8:09:07 AM PST by dave k
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Bump...

redrock

27 posted on 03/25/2005 8:09:39 AM PST by redrock (Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock. --Will Rogers)
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To: redrock

This is so unbelievably HORRIBLE!!!!!

In some ways this reminds me of that other heartbreaking situation in Florida a few years back. Are we so terribly wrong? Is up up? Or is up down? What in the world is happening?


28 posted on 03/25/2005 8:10:57 AM PST by Mare
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To: redrock
Some people are consistent in their kindness; in person or in private, they are one, the same, and kind.

People who are a source of trouble, are not one, but two; using whichever suits them and their wishes; thinking to themselves, that either way, they are superior in the situation.

We must always favor kind people, for positions in all institutions.

29 posted on 03/25/2005 8:55:40 AM PST by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: First_Salute

It is hard to believe that judges are the only public figures who are so caught up in the death cult. I'd say that elected pols are just more careful. They had to hide their intentions until they were sure the death worshippers, the generally self-destructive, and the useful morons had formed a large enough bloc.


30 posted on 03/25/2005 11:23:59 PM PST by Avoiding_Sulla (You can't see where we're going when you don't look where we've been.)
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To: redrock

As I said before, Those who wanted GOD and COUNTRY seperated are winning.

I don't like someone trying to undermine my basic principles.
I believe in GOD AND COUNTRY.

Those who don't , IMHO, should leave it if they don't like it.

Go to some GODLESS LAND where LUST for MONEY rules.

There are so many to pick from.


31 posted on 03/25/2005 11:29:24 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: UCANSEE2
You'll have to fight to stop it. They of whom you speak will nigh be satisfied until everywhere is like that. UCANSEE2 how the hell holes of the world have been cooperating for quite some time.
32 posted on 03/26/2005 12:40:15 AM PST by Avoiding_Sulla (You can't see where we're going when you don't look where we've been.)
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To: Avoiding_Sulla
About a month ago, while catching Paul Harvey on the radio, I heard him tell a short story, to this effect (myself, not recalling the exact words, I'm reposting an anonymous recollection found elsewhere on the Internet):

"[A]n Indian elder speaking to a young child (paraphrased):"

"I have two wolves inside of me. They are fighting with each other."

"Yes?"

"One is evil, hateful, greedy, selfish, etc."

"And the other wolf?"

"This wolf is kind and good, sharing, loving, patient, forgiving, etc."

"Which wolf will win?"

"The one which I feed."

Now, here's a portion of a private letter that a sent to a friend here at FR, earlier in the month:

I remember Douglas Southall Freeman's book about George Washington, wherein Freeman notes that a young George (age 15 or so), sought books about moral fibre, and that at the time, there was a book that some fellow in England had written, in an effort to help all the young kids who were wandering about, many homeless. The author meant to provide character, in the writing, for what the kids did not benefit from home nor "society."

"Among young Virginians of his class, there was circulating an abbreviated version of Francis Hawkins's Youth's Behavior. George read this and transcribed the rules with boyish lack of discrimination. He did not attempt to discard those intended for urban English or Continental life, rather than for the Colonies; as the text was, so was it copied. At the end, he transcribed: 'Labour to keep alive in your Breast, that Little Spark of Cetial fire Called Conscience.' He did so well with his copying, that he scarcely deserved a black mark for writing 'Cetial' instead of 'Celestial.' He was to apply the maxim, though he marred the word."

Later, near the end of the book, is the note about George being asked the question, in effect, What was the secret of your success? To which he answered, "the straight line."

Stay true to feeding what is good and kind.

33 posted on 03/26/2005 5:02:11 AM PST by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

The parallels of what is happening now and what happened this weekend 2000 years ago are interesting.

2000 years ago, an innocent person "had to die", the government washed their hands of the issue, the death was cruel, etc.


34 posted on 03/26/2005 5:06:07 AM PST by joonbug
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To: First_Salute

You are right. When we keep what is good and kind alive within us, it is rarely the result of any large battle, but from winning a constant series of small battles.

However, as I pointed out at 32, we must also battle those who would mislead our neighbors. Those who are unhappy that anyone else is happy. Those who so envy what has been created here would have us destroy it rather than work to improve life somewhere else.

Look at the first and last of the 10 Commandments and KNOW who it is they battle.

Look at the first command of God to man, "Be fruitful and multiply," and KNOW how the little devils think they can thwart the Father.


35 posted on 03/26/2005 7:56:01 AM PST by Avoiding_Sulla (You can't see where we're going when you don't look where we've been.)
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