Posted on 03/23/2005 8:15:17 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida
Day 5 going into Day 6 of no food or water for Terri.
Affidavit of William Polk Cheshire, Jr., M.D., M.A., F.A.A.N., who Examined Terri Schiavo on 3/23/05:
http://www.nationalreview.com/pdf/Affidavit.pdf
Florida DCF files petition for intervention:
http://www.nationalreview.com/pdf/Petition%20for%20Intervention%20in%20Schiavo%20Case.pdf
I'm reading Empire Journal's article, "Schiavo Judge Tells DCF...No Protective Custody." Powerful. Too bad Gov. and POTUS aren't reading it. Greer is definitely a rogue.
http://www.theempirejournal.com/35052_schiavo_judge_tells_dcf.htm
According to what I read at link below, they have 24 hours to appeal for guardianship but it can take place after she's removed or while arranging for removal. If I read it right. If that's the case, they might be making sure they have all that done. Just guessing.
Turns out Greer is just a county probate judge, step up from county or village justice NOT a state judge as the media keeps saying and wasn't supposed to have jurisdiction here.
Go to the link. DCF removal may still happen.
http://www.theempirejournal.com/35052_schiavo_judge_tells_dcf.htm
I've come to the point where I've turned this whole thing over to God. He has never let me down.
From the last thread...
As maddeneing as it is to watch I'm begiining to believe we're seeing a very carefully constructed process executed driven by the Executive Branches of both the Florida and Federal Governments (read: Jeb and W) that at it's heart is meant to save Terri's life. The tricky part is they're trying to do it in such a way that respects and uses to full adavntage the three distinct jurisdictions of constitutional authority.
The Legislative Branch is now out of the picture, both in Washington and Florida. The only Judicial point not yet explored is the USSC, but FOX is reporting that is now underway. If Kennedy blows it off (I think he might...no specific reason, just a hunch) the Judicial Branch options will have been exhausted.
Which leaves only the Executive Branch, which at both the Federal and State level have openly expressed their desire for Terri to live.
The hearing allowing DCF to take custody of Terri is simply a sop to the part of their enabling legislation that covers normal circumstances. If it's refused they can immediately go to the emergency provisions and remove Terri and not have to justify it before a court until at least mid-next week.
Once again, Bush let the Legislators recuse themselves, let the Courts run to the end of their script, and can now, with full authority, bring the power of the Executive Branch to bear and no one can legitimately claim he's usurped the authority of any other Branch. To make things even better, the section in the DCF statute is not new law, yet reads as if it were written to protect just such a person as Terri.
And if all this fails, I wouldn't be surprised if W has an Ace hiding in his boot.
that's wrong. Read the previous post or go read Florida Statutes Chapter 415.1051
But DCF removes people (esp children) all the time from abusive guardians (like thier parents), why is this case different??
"an Ace hiding in his boot"
I'd like a friggin light anti-tank weapon.
I haven't heard anything except that someone said a florida lawyer disagreed on Greta that they could take her.
FWIW Jay Sekolow felt they can. And I trust his opinion quite a bit.
Make that from MITCHBERT'S keyboard to God's ear ...
Suddenly all I'm hearing from the liberals are about how we are "a nation of laws, a nation of laws." But now get this:
"We live in a system of laws, not of men."
(Susan Estrich, on with Greta, 8:55 PM PT )
Can you believe it??? NO, Susan!!! We are a nation of men who care for men, and who write laws. Our laws serve men, NOT vice versa!!
I understand that but Judge Greer is part of the investigation. The talking heads on TV don't pay attention. Greer can't stop them as he's part of the investigation. That's why he had a criminal lawyer represent him in Whittmores court. He needs one. Crminal lawyer, that is.
I'm banking on that - he's an "ace" poker player - never tips his hand before he lays the cards down...
You said: "F.S. 415 gives the Governor permission to place a disabled person into protective custody, something like that. It's late but that's the law."
I heard Terri's parents puzzling over why Gov. Bush has not yet used his constitutional powers to act.....
This is heartrending.
Do you have any clue why neither the governor nor the president have written executive orders?
Further Morton Plant Hospital is afraid to admit her once again. They have a "not me" disease when it comes to who will administer what Terri needs when she arrives at the hospital. GREER-FELOS-BUSHNELL-HOSPICE own PINELLAS COUNTY. They will continue to make sure that Terri dies while heaping mental anguish on Terri's parents and other relatives. FV
If the vulnerable adult’s caregiver or guardian is present, the protective investigator must seek the guardian’s consent before the person may be removed from the premises unless the protective investigator suspects that the vulnerable adult’s caregiver or guardian has caused the abuse, neglect or exploitation. The department shall, within 24 hours after providing or arranging for emergency removal of the vulnerable adult…. Petition the court for an order authorizing emergency protective services.
If the vulnerable adult’s caregiver or guardian is present, the protective investigator must seek the guardian’s consent........it was for that reason......that the injunction was given....according to what I heard earlier on Fox News. Now they may be wrong..but that is what is being reported. DFC cannot remove Terri without ms's consent.
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Not quite never. Sometimes it's good to let the opponent think he knows what you're holding and be right, so that other times he'll think he knows what you're holding and be quite expensively wrong.
Is that the one who says only if she has no guardian can they take her? Kind of absurd, if the guardian is suspect in abuse or neglect, you must defer to the guardian and not protect her? Maybe in Greer lala land, but doubtful in the real world. So you aren't aware that DCF itself says they can't or won't do so. Neither am I.
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