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GOP Senators Are Beyond Point Of No Return - (fighting liberals' Senate rules change)
MENS NEWS DAILY.COM ^ | MARCH 24, 2005 | CHRISTOPHER ADAMO

Posted on 03/23/2005 5:45:14 PM PST by freeholland

A grave and as yet unrecognized danger presently looms for Senate Republicans with respect to the upcoming battle over the President’s judicial nominees. Democrat reaction to the possibility of a Senate rules change has been nearly hysterical, which might seem to offer Republican political strategists reason to rejoice. Yet if they are not careful, the situation can be suddenly turned on them.

Despite Democrat caterwauling to the contrary, this situation is not, in their minds, about preserving the Constitution, and it is not about finding some mythical “common ground” between the liberal view of constitutional law and a conservative effort towards the same end.

Rather, it is all about preventing the appointment of individuals who are dedicated to the preservation of the original intent of the document. The present philosophical war being waged here is not intended to decide the nature of our constitutional republic as being liberal or conservative, but will instead determine whether our constitutional republic, as envisioned by the founders, will prevail or fade into oblivion.

In the midst of all of this, a more immediate alarm should be sounding among the Republicans. Along with their efforts to define the judiciary, Democrats are pursuing a political agenda that could potentially inflict extreme collateral damage on GOP Senators, if they are so inept and unprincipled as to be ensnared as they have done in the past. And with each ensuing outrage from the judiciary, the stakes are raised for both sides.

Liberal political operatives have set the stage for a dramatic “win/win” scenario, which will eventuate in the immediate aftermath of a Republican capitulation at this crucial juncture. And such a scenario is not without precedent.

Though Republicans had successfully gained majority status in both the House and Senate during the dramatic 1994 elections, and though they went into the ‘95 budget battle with optimistic expectations of redefining the scope of federal spending policy, a massive public relations offensive by the Clinton Administration completely thwarted their efforts.

Rather than standing fast on the principle of reigning in an obviously out-of-control federal budget, they took their eyes off of their real purpose in Washington and became preoccupied with public opinion as expressed by the major media.

Eventually, as a result of incessant criticism on the nightly news, the entire issue was reframed, not as one of irresponsible spending by a bloated government bureaucracy, but as an endless series of hardships suffered by the “little people” and caused by the “Republican government shutdown.” Ultimately, the Republicans caved.

The Democrat strategy yielded an unprecedented surge in momentum. As a result, they not only resumed their dominant role in shaping the federal budget, but also were also able to blame Republicans for the entire debacle. The feat was truly amazing, especially in consideration of the fact that it was Bill Clinton who, by his veto of the budget, actually caused the shutdown.

Once Republicans retreated from the fight to control spending, and allowed the issue to be framed as a matter of returning the government to full and proper operation, they were unable to escape culpability for the original problem.

Democrat refusal to allow an up or down vote on President Bush’s judicial nominees has amounted to an escalation of recent liberal attacks on the Constitution. Republican efforts to counter this obstructionism and allow for the confirmation of pro-Constitution judges should therefore have been loudly portrayed as a fight over the very integrity of the Constitution.

Unfortunately, Republicans failed to spotlight the controversy in such terms. Liberals, always ready to manipulate any situation to their political advantage, now assert that it is they who are fighting to protect and preserve the Constitution. This preposterous deception is spearheaded by that standard-bearer of shameless liberal hypocrisy, Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia.

Undoubtedly, certain faint-hearted individuals within Senate Republican ranks would like to simply back away from the tumult, in hopes of avoiding criticism. But that option no longer exists, if it ever did.

A Republican retreat at this juncture would henceforth cement the notion of absolute Democrat dominance over the makeup of the judiciary. And doing so in the face of such fraudulent accusations would not soften their effects, but would instead validate them.

Ultimately, it will be up to the Republicans to determine whether this situation eventuates into the last dying gasp of liberal dominance, or if it becomes the greatest rout of conservatives ever achieved by the American left.

Growing up during the turbulent decades of the ‘60's and ‘70's, Christopher Adamo saw, to his dismay, the nation's moral foundations being destroyed before his very eyes. But even then he was a staunch Conservative at heart, and rejected outright the tenets of America's counterculture revolution. After a hitch in the Air Force, where he specialized in airborne electro- optical systems, he pursued a career in the field of aerospace, working for major defense contractors in California, Florida, and Colorado. But his career plans abruptly changed during the industry-wide downsizing that followed the Space Shuttle Challenger disaster.

Presently he is working in the field of industrial instrumentation in the state of Wyoming. Concurrently, he has become involved in that state's political process, attending state GOP conventions as a delegate, and serving as a member of the Wyoming Republican Central Committee. He has also aided in the candidacies of local legislators and state senators, as well as a U.S. Senator and Congresswoman.

From 1993 to 1996, he edited and wrote for “The Wyoming Christian”, the state newsletter for Christian Coalition of Wyoming. During that period, he developed an acute awareness of the harm being done to Conservatism by liberal activists within the Republican Party as well as the Democrats. This remains a favorite theme of his articles, which now appear as a regular feature on GOPUSA.

Comments: cadamo@wyoming.com

Visit his website at http://www.chrisadamo.com


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KEYWORDS: 109th; appointees; bush; court; democrat; filibuster; gop; judicialnominees; majority; obstructionism; president; ussenate
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To: McGavin999

"Oh, you mean like they did in 92? That was successful, wasn't it? Clinton got in, fired all the federal prosecutors and replaced them with his own, allowed Al Qaeda to gain enough strength to take us down on 9-11, taught our kids what a BJ is. That worked out really well."

Actually, it WAS really successful in terms of Republican Party discipline.
Has ANY Republican since that searing defeat been willing to shift a "No new taxes" stance?
No.
The Republicans learned the hard way in 1992 that lying to the electorate and abandoning the principles on which they were elected is a quick route to losing power and being tossed in the dumpster.
They learned, and they never broke faith with the economic right again since. The closest they came was the steel tarriffs, and those came off in a hurry.

If the Republicans believe that lots of Christians who vote for them are primarily motivated by partisan calculations, they are wrong. There are millions of single issue voters: life. The issue barely comes up, but it is screaming off the headlines right now. A woman is dying, and two Republican Executives are sitting on their hands in the clutch. The nuclear option is falling apart in the Senate because of Republicans, not Democrats.
If the Republicans don't grow a spine in a hurry and change course, they are going to directly betray a core constituency on the issue most vital to that constituency.

The Christians have been SCREAMING this since the Republican leadership rammed through Specter in the Senate after his anti-life commentaries the day after Election Day. But the Christians have been patient. Wait and see has been the watchword. Now the nuclear option is failing, and two Bush boys are not provoking a crisis by intervening to save a woman's life. The Christians waited, and now they see. The Republicans have got to open their eyes and move here, or they are going to demoralize and demotivate a huge single issue constituency that they cannot win without. The Christians don't ask for much. All they have asked for is THIS.
NOW is the time for Republicans to step up to the plate and perform, and guarantee themselves the whole Christian bloc in 2006 and 2008.

If they blow this, which right now they are on course to do, it will be just like 1992 all over again. Christians observe how slavishly loyal the Republicans have become to the economic right since the 1992 debacle taught them that betraying that element meant no power for Republicans forever. I'm here to tell you that pro-life Republicans are no different.

The party needs to stop playing games and DO what those men were elected to do. The platform is pro-life and pro-strict construction. The Party has to crack heads and enforce discipline to carry out its platform, or the Christians are going to be demoralized in droves.

With Specter, they said "Wait and see."
They waited. Now they are seeing.
And what they are seeing is an unmitigated disaster.
TWO anti-life waffles by the Republicans in power in the same week.

It's whistling past the graveyard to think that this is not going to reap very bitter fruit.

The most frustrating thing about this is that it's just like George H W Bush's welching on his "No new taxes" pledge. There was absolutely no good REASON for him to betray his low-tax constituency like that. It was a catastrophic miscalculation, with no reward at the end of it. It was, simply, the mistake of arrogance: "Who are the low-taxers going to vote for?" In the end, the answer was Ross Perot or nobody. And whatever the wisdom of that, the point is that Bush lost and the Republicans were sent reeling, all completely unneccessarily. All the Republicans had to do was to continue to do WHAT THEY PROMISED TO DO. Bush didn't have to raise taxes. He had the power to not do it. He arrogantly did it anyway, and he lost power because he betrayed his constituency.

Did that "work out well"?
Not for him. Not for the Republicans.
In the end, it DID work out well for the low-tax economic Republicans, because their defection in 1992 taught the Republicans a lesson that they have not forgotten for 13 years.

The Republicans don't HAVE to inflict a similar disaster on themnselves with the Christians. But if they arrogantly plow ahead here and refuse to honor the pro-life part of their platform by doing what the Christians elected them to do, it will. I guarantee it.

There is still time for Jeb Bush and George Bush and the Senate Republican leadership to "get it" and uphold life. But the sand is running out of the hourglass more rapidly each hour.
I am still hopeful that tragedy and political disaster can be averted, but the Republicans have to stop talking - it doesn't work - and they have to ACT.


21 posted on 03/24/2005 5:56:19 AM PST by Vicomte13 (Tibikak ishkwata!)
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To: Vicomte13
I see, Terri matters to you but the rest of our lives don't. You would allow Hillary to become president, and that would encourage the terrorists, but that's OK with you. People will die deaths equally horrible to Terri, but you get to prove your point.

OK, fine, sit on your butts, and answer to God.

22 posted on 03/24/2005 6:25:03 AM PST by McGavin999
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To: Necrovore

I am beyond disgusted and do not think Congress will step up to the plate and stand up to the Judiciary. What are our options now?

It's quickly becoming apparent that the only option we have left to stave off judicial tyranny is the 2nd Amendment.


23 posted on 03/24/2005 6:30:21 AM PST by Leatherneck_MT (3-7-77 (No that's not a Date))
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To: John Lenin
Correct!

Every President needs to decide those issues that are worth spending political capital on and those that are not.

This is a huge one, easily in the top five for the administration.

imho it is far more important than the silly pay as you go Social Security fiasco.

My reasoning is that judicial appointments last twenty or thirty years while each Congress can change the rules on Social Security at their whim. Social Security cannot be "fixed" on a long term basis and the Pubbies need to get over it. They are unwilling to acknowledge the current system is a total fraud so they really have no business even raising the subject.

The White House needs to reshuffle their priorities and put the Supreme Court and gaining real control of the Senate at the top of the list.
24 posted on 03/24/2005 6:36:00 AM PST by cgbg (Fire the Trustees of the Social Security Trust Fund with no money in it!)
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To: westmichman

No guts no glory.


25 posted on 03/24/2005 6:39:51 AM PST by cubreporter (I trust and admire Rush. He has done more for this country than he will ever know. God bless him.)
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To: Milhous
You seem to have overlooked Snarlin' Arlen MacSpecter, who not only "crosses over" to do the RATs bidding far more than Hagel, Warner, and McCain, but even Collins and Snowe.
26 posted on 03/24/2005 6:46:13 AM PST by BillyBoy (Find out the TRUTH about the Chicago Democrat Machine's "Best Friend" in the GOP - www.NOLaHood.com)
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To: McGavin999

"OK, fine, sit on your butts, and answer to God."

Nobody wants to do this.

Answer me this: why are the Bush boys sitting on their butts?
Why is the 55-45 Republican majority in the Senate sitting on their butts and letting the nuclear option slip away?

If they sit on their butt and will do what they campaigned on doing, what alternative is there? Just keep on rewarding non-performance?


27 posted on 03/24/2005 7:15:39 AM PST by Vicomte13 (Aure entuluva.)
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To: BillyBoy
You seem to have overlooked Snarlin' Arlen

As far as we know Snarlin' Arlen stands on the right side of this particular issue.

Of the 55 Republicans in the chamber, at least six are undecided or adamantly opposed to the plan of using the rare parliamentary procedure to end the filibusters with a simple majority vote, rather than the 60 votes normally required.
Support falters for the 'nuclear option'


28 posted on 03/24/2005 7:18:27 AM PST by Milhous
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To: Vicomte13
Because there are bigger questions involved here. The very basis of this country. Instead of looking for what it is that God is telling us to look at, we see only as far as Terri. Do you not think they are being tempted, and tempted mightily?

I have total faith in God. If God had meant for Terri to win this one, he would have given her better lawyers.

Let me ask you a question. If over 2000 years ago, you could have saved Christ from being hung on a cross, that precious life, would you have done it? What would have been the result then?

Sometimes God wants us to see bigger things.

29 posted on 03/24/2005 8:17:07 AM PST by McGavin999
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To: freeholland

The “Advice” in Advice and Consent
Must the president consult with the Senate on Nominations?



The simmering controversy over Democratic filibusters of President George W. Bush's nominees to the federal appellate courts continues to push the constitutional envelope. Even among conservatives themselves, there is profound disagreement about whether the filibusters violate separation-of-powers principles. Leaving that weighty issue aside (for today, anyway), now a new question arises: What is meant by the advice part of "advice and consent"?

The impetus for asking is clear enough. The Senate appears to be careening toward High Noon at the OK Corral — a decisive, bloody battle over the filibusters. Parliamentary maneuvering by Democrats has blocked full-Senate consideration of about a quarter of President Bush's nominees to the federal appellate courts. Republicans, frustrated over this tactic, which is both unprecedented (at least as it has been systematically used here) and unapologetically ideological (i.e., not based on claims about competence or character), are seriously mulling a rule change that would end the filibusters and ensure the nominees an up-or-down vote.

The stakes have now been raised. President Bush, equally vexed over his inability, for four years, to move eminently qualified lawyers into open seats on important courts with pressing caseloads, has re-nominated most of the candidates heretofore blocked. For their part, Democrats, for whom the judicial power assumes ever-mounting significance as their fortunes at the ballot box wane, are under enormous pressure from their special interests not to back down.

If Republicans change the rule (and, mind you, it is no sure thing that they have the votes necessary to do so), Democrats promise to shut down all other business in retaliation. All the relevant players know this would be fraught with ruinous potential. In the aftermath, the public could decide to punish either camp in the 2006 midterm elections. Although a mid-90s shutdown proved disastrous for Republicans, that was because they confronted not only a hostile mainstream press but a skillful Democrat in the bully pulpit. Today, on the other hand, the mainstream is shrinking, the media are no longer nearly as monolithically left-leaning, and the dominant figure is a Republican president who just garnered more votes than any candidate in U.S. history. Still, whether Republicans or Democrats felt the sting in the future, the pain for President Bush would be in the here and now. A shutdown would grind his ambitious second-term agenda to a halt during the precious months he has before lame-duck syndrome takes hold.

Given the daunting mutual risks, it is unsurprising to find officials at the center of the impasse groping to avoid a showdown. Senior members of the Senate Judiciary Committee, including Republican Chairman Arlen Specter and Democrat Chuck Schumer, have suggested that one way out would be to pay more attention to (or, as critics might counter, to reinterpret) the constitutional provision calling on the president to obtain the Senate's advice in connection with judicial appointments.

Senator Specter maintains that "[t]he advice clause in the Constitution has been largely ignored[,]" and has even gone so far as to urge the Bush administration to consult with Senate Democrats before nominating any new Supreme Court justices. Similarly, the Washington Post reports that Senator Schumer has proposed the creation of a "small, bipartisan group" of senators that "should meet with the president sometime in the next few weeks and eventually even make joint recommendations to the president of nominees that are highly qualified and could get broad, bipartisan support in the Senate."

To the extent they may alleviate tensions and foster a more cordial and promising environment, these proposals should not be dismissed out of hand. Naturally, the White House believes it already does plenty of consulting, that its nominees are already subjected to rigorous congressional vetting, and that what it needs is an up-or-down vote on its choices, not help making the choices from people who don't share its predilections about the proper role of the courts. This, however, ain't beanbag, and one has to ask whether more intrusive consultation, however undesirable it may be, is preferable to even less savory alternatives, such as a continuation of the filibusters (quite likely soon extended to the Supreme Court) or a paralyzed Congress.

Nevertheless, whatever President Bush decides to do, he must make clear that any accommodations are in his discretion, not because the appointments clause mandates them. Judiciary Committee members of both parties pay close attention to developments in the law and tend to know the bar and the academy extremely well. Thus, it is conceivable that the administration could learn some valuable information in a consultative process. Democrats, moreover, could find that an openness to dialogue would offer them both more meaningful influence in the matter of appointments and a graceful way of stepping back from the abyss. But such a process should only happen if it is conceded up front that the president would be submitting to it voluntarily, and that he would not be bound to accept, or take any action on, Senate recommendations.

This brings us squarely back to the appointments clause. The comments by Senators Specter and Schumer could be taken as laying the groundwork for a legal claim that the constitution requires the president to consult with the Senate before naming candidates to fill judicial vacancies. Were such a contention made, it would not withstand scrutiny. Reasonable minds can debate whether it would be good politics for the president to negotiate prior to naming candidates for the bench, but as a matter of law the administration would be on solid footing if it declined to do so. The structure of the constitution, the plain language of the appointments clause, and Alexander Hamilton's discussion in The Federalist Papers of the Senate's contemplated advisory role all indicate that the prerogative to nominate is the president's alone.

First, the appointments clause, which includes the nomination power, is located in Article II, the portion of the constitution that defines the executive power. The placement of an enumerated power in the article that sets out a particular branch's authority is highly significant. Recall, for example, that during the Civil War, Chief Justice Roger Taney held that President Lincoln's unilateral suspension of the writ of habeas corpus violated the constitution. The constitution does not say that only congress is authorized to suspend the writ — it is silent on the matter. What Taney found dispositive, however, was that the framers had placed the suspension clause in Article I, which confers the powers of congress. To the contrary, the nomination power is unambiguous — it is not only found in Article II but is expressly vested in the president.

Bringing us to the second and most salient point: the straightforward language itself. The appointments clause (Article II, Section 2, Paragraph 2) states, in pertinent part, that the president "shall nominate, and by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, shall appoint...judges of the Supreme Court and all other officers of the United States" (which includes judges of the lower federal courts). The clause thus explicitly distinguishes between the power to nominate and the power to appoint. Under its plain terms, the president alone nominates; it is only the subsequent, final appointment that is subject to the advice and consent of the senate.

It would have been a very simple matter for the framers to have written that the president "by and with the advice and consent of the senate, shall nominate and appoint" judges. They very pointedly did not do that. The clause contemplates no advisory role for the senate in the nomination process — only in the consideration of already-named nominees.

Nor need we content ourselves with such linguistic deductions about what the framers must have intended. As Mark Levin has recently pointed out in his bestselling book, Men in Black (188-89), Hamilton made it abundantly clear. In Federalist No. 66, he flatly asserted: "It will be the office of the President to nominate, and, with the advice and consent of the senate, to appoint. There will, of course, be no exertion of choice on the part of the Senate. They may defeat one choice of the Executive, and oblige him to make another; but they cannot themselves choose — they can only ratify or reject the choice he may have made." (Emphasis added.)

In Federalist No. 76, moreover, Hamilton offered an extensive explanation of the rationale, precluding any suggestion of a senate role in nominations. The framers believed that reposing this power in the "sole and undivided responsibility of" a single official, the president, would "naturally beget a livelier sense of duty and a more exact regard for reputation" than could be achieved were the decision left to a committee. For them, a committee (such as the one Senator Schumer suggests) would only serve to multiply the number of "personal considerations" (as opposed to considerations of competence and fitness) that might result in poor choices.

Keeping with this theme of minimizing personal considerations, Hamilton also argued that because the power to nominate would be vested in the president alone, and because the senate would be limited to the power to overrule once the nomination was made, senators would realize that all they could achieve by overruling was yet another candidate of the president's unilateral choosing. The idea — which has rich resonance today — was precisely to discourage the unreasonable withholding of consent, since the senators "could not assure themselves," Hamilton wrote, "that the person they might wish would be brought forward by a second or by any subsequent nomination."

So, far from suggesting cooperative nominations, the framers concluded that having a joint Senate-president process would be bad policy. Does that mean it would still be bad policy today?

Not necessarily. It is certainly plausible to argue that many of the framers' assumptions no longer obtain. The government, the courts and the nation itself have gotten so much bigger now than they were in the 18th Century that, as a practical matter, the president chooses nominees by committee anyway. Senators, furthermore, have long played a key, if unofficial, role in the president's selection of appointees from their individual states. One need not agree with the notion in order to admit that it is far from outlandish to suggest that presidents might make a habit of seeking the Senate's advice before announcing a nomination — and in a time of extraordinary rancor it might indeed be a viable tonic.

But here is the important point — the one that distinguishes adherents of objective originalism from those who prefer a highly subjective "organic constitution." Acknowledging that conditions have evolved, that assumptions may have changed as well, and that the president might well decide that conciliatory consultation might be preferable to a stalemate is a far distance from saying that the constitution should be read as if it says and means something drastically different from what it actually says and means.

When it comes to regulating government officials, the constitution generally sets baseline requirements, not ceilings. The fact that the appointments clause does not require the president to consult with the Senate before naming candidates for the bench does not prohibit him from doing so in his discretion. But as far as the constitution is concerned, the Senate's advice is required only after the president has made his nominations.

— Andrew C. McCarthy, who led the 1995 terrorism prosecution against Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman and eleven others, is a senior fellow at the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies.


30 posted on 03/24/2005 9:43:56 AM PST by conservativecorner
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To: freeholland

The Filibuster

by Ronald D. Rotunda


Ronald Rotunda, author, and law professor at George Mason University, is a senior fellow with the Cato Institute.


The filibuster has a long history, but its pedigree should not make us proud. It prevented civil rights legislation from being adopted for nearly a century. Now a minority of senators is using it to prevent the Senate from voting on judicial nominees even though a majority of the senators from both parties would vote to confirm if they only could vote.


The modern filibuster is much more powerful than its historical predecessor because it is invisible: The Senate rules do not require any senator to actually hold the floor to filibuster. Instead, a minority of 41 senators simply notifies the Senate leadership of its intent to filibuster. Other Senate business goes on, but a vote on a particular issue -- a nomination -- cannot be brought to a vote. The present Senate rules that create the filibuster also do not allow the Senate to change the filibuster rules unless 67 senators agree. However, these rules should not bind the present Senate any more than a statute that says that it cannot be repealed until 67 percent of the Senate votes to repeal the statute. An earlier Senate cannot bind a present Senate on this issue.


The Senate, unlike the House, is often called a continuing body because only one-third of its members are elected every two years. But that does not give the senators of a prior generation (some of whom were defeated in prior elections) the right to prevent the present Senate from choosing, by simple majority, the rules governing its procedure. For purposes of deciding which rules to follow, the Senate starts anew every two years.


It is easy to make this point by looking at simple logic and history.


If a prior Senate can bind a later Senate, that would mean that the prior Senate could, by mere rule, impose what amounts to an important amendment to the Constitution regarding the number of votes needed to confirm a nominee. The Senate cannot change the number of votes needed to confirm a nominee any more than it can properly change the number of votes necessary for consenting to the ratification of a treaty from two-thirds to 75 percent or 51 percent.


Recall that Senator James Jeffords became an independent after the 2000 election. That shifted control of the Senate from Republicans to Democrats. The new Senate then reorganized itself, changed committee staff, and so on. However, if a prior Senate can really bind the present Senate, then an earlier Senate could have passed a rule that prevents reorganizing the Senate. We all know that such an effort would be as outrageous as the Federalist Party (which lost in the election of 1800) continuing to control the Senate and decide committee ratios, staff allocations, etc., as long as 34 percent of the Senate remained Federalist.


One might respond: But that would mean that the Senate could not vote on anything while there was a filibuster going on. Ah, but as mentioned above, the Senate rules do not require any senator to actually take the floor to speak: Senators simply notify the Senate leadership of the plan to filibuster on a particular bill or nomination and that kills it dead in its tracks. Or, think of it this way: What if the prior Senate (before the most recent election that shifted control to the Republicans) used its rule-making power to provide that judicial appointments require 75 percent or even unanimous consent, and that the Senate could not change that rule except by a two-thirds majority? Surely, no one would argue that the prior Senate could prevent the present Senate from changing that rule. Filibusters cannot be used to prevent changes in the rules that govern filibusters.


The present Senate rules are no more sacrosanct than a statute. If the president signs a law, it remains in effect until the House and Senate repeal it and the president signs the repealing legislation. The prior law cannot provide that it remains law unless 67 percent of the senators approve the repeal. Similarly, a Senate rule remains in effect only until a majority of the Senate changes that rule. The prior rule cannot provide that it remains law unless 67 percent of the senators approve the repeal, but that is what the Senate rules now provide.


Precedent also supports this principle. In 1975 the Senators changed the filibuster requirement from 67 votes to 60, after concluding that it only takes a simple majority of Senators to change the rules governing their proceedings. As Senate Majority Leader Mike Mansfield (D-MT) said at the time: "We cannot allow a minority" of the senators "to grab the Senate by the throat and hold it there." Senators Leahy, Kennedy, Byrd, and Biden, all agreed. Nearly a decade ago, Lloyd Cutler, the former White House Counsel to Presidents Carter and Clinton, concluded that the Senate Rule requiring a super-majority vote to change the rule is "plainly unconstitutional."


That was then. Now, a minority of senators once again claims that the Senate cannot change it rules to prevent this filibuster unless a super-majority agree. That is wrong. To paraphrase Senator Henry Cabot Lodge, to vote without debate is unwise, but to debate without even being able to vote is ridiculous.


31 posted on 03/24/2005 9:44:31 AM PST by conservativecorner
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To: freeholland

From Senator Cornyn:

BYRD WP OP-ED: Factually inaccurate, inconsistent with his voting record

U.S. Sen. Robert Byrd (D-W.Va.) had an op-ed in the Washington Post today (‘Nuking’ Free Speech, http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A5692-2005Mar3.html) arguing against the current Senate proposal to restore the rights of the majority and end the unprecedented filibusters against the President’s Judicial nominees. But his arguments were both factually wrong, and historically inconsistent with his own voting record.

Sen. Byrd said that restoring Senate tradition “could rob a senator of the right to speak out against an overreaching executive branch or a wrongheaded policy. It could destroy the Senate's very essence -- the constitutional privilege of free speech and debate.” But history—and Sen. Byrd’s own actions—prove otherwise.


In fact, Sen. Byrd is often credited with pioneering the Senate procedure he now derides as a denial of free speech and a threat to our liberties. Recall that it was Sen. Byrd who led the charge to establish new Senate precedents in 1977, 1979, 1980, and 1987 - including a number of precedents that were designed specifically to stop filibusters and other delay tactics that were previously authorized under Senate rules or prior precedents:


In 1977, Senator Byrd led the establishment of a new precedent in order to break a post-cloture filibuster on a natural gas deregulation bill, stating:


“I make the point of order that when the Senate is operating under cloture, the Chair is required to take the initiative under Rule XXII to rule out of order all amendments which are dilatory or which on their face are out of order." That precedent contravened prior precedent, which would have required the Chair to await a point of order from the floor.


In 1979, Senator Byrd led the establishment of a new precedent that allowed the Chair to rule on questions of germaneness raised during the consideration of appropriations bills - notwithstanding Senate Rule XVI, which states that all questions of germaneness on appropriations bills must be decided by the full Senate.


In 1980, Senator Byrd led the establishment of a new precedent to require an immediate vote, without debate, on any motion to go into executive session to consider a particular nomination. His new precedent was specifically designed, in his words, to "deal with a filibuster on the motion to proceed" to a nomination. Previously, a motion to proceed to a particular nomination was debatable. The new precedent was sustained by a vote of 54-38, and yet the precedent did not “rob a senator of the right to speak out against an overreaching executive branch,” as Sen. Byrd claimed in his op-ed.


In 1987, Senator Byrd caused establishment of a new precedent declaring that certain tactics were to be construed as dilatory during roll call votes and therefore always out of order no matter what - even though the text of the Senate rules had clearly authorized such tactics. Previously, dilatory tactics were out of order only after cloture had been invoked.


And in 1975, the Senate voted three times (51-42, 48-40, and 46-43) in support of the power of a Senate majority under Article I to change the rules. Those precedents forced the Senate to act and led to a major change in the cloture rule.


The Constitution and the U.S. Supreme Court:


* Article I, Section 5 of the Constitution clearly states that "[e]ach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings."


* The U.S. Supreme Court has unanimously held that, unless the Constitution expressly provides for a supermajority vote, the constitutional rule is majority vote. [See United States v. Ballin (1892).]


As Sen. Byrd must surely know after decades in the Senate, a majority of Senators has also always possessed the constitutional power to establish new Senate precedents - including precedents that reverse prior precedents, and precedents that contravene the text of the standing rules of the Senate. And I think he was very clear in 1979 when he claimed exactly the opposite of what he averred in today’s op-ed:


“This Congress is not obliged to be bound by the dead hand of the past. . . . . The first Senate, which met in 1789, approved 19 rules by a majority vote. Those rules have been changed from time to time.... So the Members of the Senate who met in 1789 and approved that first body of rules did not for one moment think, or believe, or pretend, that all succeeding Senates would be bound by that Senate. . . . It would be just as reasonable to say that one Congress can pass a law providing that all future laws have to be passed by two-thirds vote. Any Member of this body knows that the next Congress would not heed that law and would proceed to change it and would vote repeal of it by majority vote.”


--U.S. Sen. Robert Byrd, Jan. 15, 1979


Sen. Byrd also claimed in the second graf that “President Bush has renominated 20 men and women to the federal bench, seven of whom the Senate rejected last year.” That charge, though, is simply inaccurate. NONE of President Bush’s judicial nominees have “been turned down in the Senate.” None. The nominees were denied a vote altogether—despite the fact that they all had (and have) bipartisan majority support. ALL would be confirmed if a partisan minority of the Senate would allow an up-or-down vote.


32 posted on 03/24/2005 9:45:04 AM PST by conservativecorner
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To: cgbg

They are being outflanked on the issue while they push for SS reform. I think a little multi-tasking is needed as the judges are even more important right now than SS reform. It would also be a good strategy to hit the RATS with multiple issues and keep them spinning.


33 posted on 03/24/2005 10:27:19 AM PST by John Lenin
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To: McGavin999

((Sometimes God wants us to see bigger things.))

**Then the LORD said to Moses, "Go in to Pharaoh; for I have hardened his heart and the heart of his servants, that I may show these signs of mine among them**

I am wondering if the LORD has hardened the heart of Judge Geer and the rest of the judges for some reason.


34 posted on 03/24/2005 10:43:02 AM PST by Swiss
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To: Swiss
Yes, I've been giving that a lot of thought as well. I have also been thinking how we have been tempted mightily lately.

The life of Terri in exchange for the Law of the Land. We have fought for years for judges who followed the law as it was written and in this case, with the exception of Judge Greer, that is what has been done. And here we are with person after person suggesting we give that up for Terri's life. A cruel choice, but temptation that is easy would not qualify as temptation. What are we willing to give up in exchange for one life? Our constitution? the protections of the law? Do we really want legislation from the bench? Do we have the kind of people making laws that should be making laws? Do we really want leaders who ignore the law whenever they choose? Just who put these temptations before us, and how many fell for it?

God speaks to us in strange ways sometimes.

35 posted on 03/24/2005 10:51:39 AM PST by McGavin999
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To: John Lenin

I agree. I must be a nitwit..I cannot understand all this effort that Bush and crew are putting into the
SS issue. Priorities, priorities,eTc... It is showing
now...Judges...I feel 2005 should be agenda for: Judges-Energy-groundwork for tax reform....SS have studied for later..if our Senate gUYs don't get out theRE and
outbyrd these donkeys...I won't support them (R)..I have
trashed every fundraising letter since the election
and no more support until I see some "IE" re: GUTS. jAKE


36 posted on 03/24/2005 10:53:10 AM PST by sanjacjake
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To: Leatherneck_MT

I'm thinking you are right.


37 posted on 03/24/2005 11:26:18 AM PST by Necrovore
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To: CondorFlight
If, after eight years of stalling, Hillary gets to fill the backlog, it's all over.
39 posted on 03/24/2005 1:54:55 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by central planning.)
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To: westmichman
I am beginning to believe that no matter how large of a majority we give Senate Republicans, they will still be afraid of Ted and Hitllery and the rest.

Beginning to believe?

That was true as far back as 1994-1995 as this article correctly points out.

The liberal radical extremist leftists that is the Democratic Party's leadership fights like a tiger when it comes to a real cat fight like we have here.

The Republicans fight like a pussy.

40 posted on 03/24/2005 5:16:28 PM PST by Dont_Tread_On_Me_888 (John Kerry--three fake Purple Hearts. George Bush--one real heart of gold.)
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