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Curbing Abuses of the Judicial Oligarchy
NewsMax ^ | 3/24/05 | Wes Vernon

Posted on 03/23/2005 5:21:56 PM PST by wagglebee

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It was Jefferson who said, "The Constitution ... meant that its coordinate branches [of government] should be checks on each other. But the opinion [Marbury vs. Madison] which gives to the judges the right to decide what laws are constitutional and what not, not only for themselves in their own sphere of action, but for the Legislative and Executive also in their spheres, would make the Judiciary a despotic branch."

What is going on gives new meaning to Jefferson's words in 1820 – long after he was out of office: "To consider the judges as the ultimate arbiters of all constitutional questions [is] a very dangerous doctrine indeed, and one which would place us under the despotism of an oligarchy."

The problem is that recent events have left me more convinced than ever that Congress and the executive branch will never stand up to these out-of-control judges.

1 posted on 03/23/2005 5:21:57 PM PST by wagglebee
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AS an "outsider", I wonder why America holds elections at all. Obviously, the US is run exclusively by appointed judges.

These garbed buffoons would never get away with it in Australia. Over here, the Parliament is supreme.
2 posted on 03/23/2005 5:26:26 PM PST by Aussie Dasher (Stop Hillary - PEGGY NOONAN '08)
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To: wagglebee
The judiciary of the United States SUCKS!
3 posted on 03/23/2005 5:27:20 PM PST by TheGeezer
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To: Aussie Dasher

Exactly.


4 posted on 03/23/2005 5:29:02 PM PST by Dante3
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To: wagglebee
I'm convinced we can end judicial abuses of power both by abolishing judicial review and ending lifetime appointments of federal judges. Have ALL of our judges subject to periodic retention elections. Both steps will cure judges of being a self-appointed caste and law unto themselves. They're a more effective method of effecting restraint than the seldom used impeachment procedure.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
5 posted on 03/23/2005 5:31:43 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: TheGeezer

The vote on that is unanimous!


6 posted on 03/23/2005 5:31:58 PM PST by Aussie Dasher (Stop Hillary - PEGGY NOONAN '08)
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To: wagglebee

It is well past time to take back our rights from the Judiciary. The Legislative and Executive Branches need to develop the cojones to put the judges back in their place.


7 posted on 03/23/2005 5:35:04 PM PST by expatpat
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According to the Constitution, Congress has the following power:
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

The problem is that Congress has effectively relinquished its powers to the courts.

Also, the President is given the following power:
The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America.

There is nothing in the Constitution saying the POTUS must carry out judicial mandates that he considers unconstitutional, and there certainly is no power granted the judiciary that makes them the arbiters of what is or isn't Constitutional.

8 posted on 03/23/2005 5:38:22 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: expatpat

Old CO Jones could cure a lot, couldn't he?

The American Government was designed as a tripod balanced on three legs, the Legislative, Executive and Judiciary. Each was to be a check and balance excess of the other.

The judiciary was to judge based on laws passed by the legislature and agreed to by the executive. Only if the law was contrary to the clear word of our Constitution was the law to be unconstitutional.

Today we have a judiciary running wild, unchecked and certainly unbalanced, a judiciary that can read elimination of religion; freedom to deprive human beings of life, in and out of the womb; elimination of the rights of self-defense and freedom of association into the Constitution that clearly does not say these things. A living document, that is what they call it. By that term they mean it says what they say it says, for they are judges, appointed for life.

The time has come for balance in our government. The time has come for judges who can read, not divine meaning with a scale in their hand. We have no need for judges to make laws, they are to judge based on written law, not give law.


9 posted on 03/23/2005 5:39:49 PM PST by Rodentking (http://www.airpower.blogspot.com/)
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To: wagglebee

Jefferson and the anti-federalist got it right on judges. This is the one mistake the federalists made.


10 posted on 03/23/2005 5:40:14 PM PST by Dan from Michigan (Mark Sanford in 2008!!)
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I like the author's idea of a 2/3 vote in both houses of Congress to veto any judicial decision. Yes, it will be more difficult for Congress this way-but this is how a Democratic Republic is supposed to work.

You can bet judges would settle down, if they knew their decisions were not the final word.

Judicial review could still be allowed--but moderated, since judges know they could not dictate law absolutely.


11 posted on 03/23/2005 5:40:30 PM PST by AnalogReigns
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How has this dreadful situation ben allowed to develop?


12 posted on 03/23/2005 5:41:19 PM PST by Aussie Dasher (Stop Hillary - PEGGY NOONAN '08)
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To your horror, on occasion.

If the Congress had balls enough to impeach judges and amend the Constitution to ensure judges can't weasel around it, instead of continuing to pass useless laws for some truly bent judges to 'interpret,' I would enthusiastically prefer our system.

As it is, I'm almost ready for a Parliament. We'd have entirely banned guns already in that situation, and I'm pretty sure until the 2nd amendment is completely eviscerated, I'll stick with the Constitution and American system.


13 posted on 03/23/2005 5:43:19 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (The South will rise again? Hell, we ever get states' rights firmly back in place, the CSA has risen!)
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To: AnalogReigns
An easier policy would be for the Executive Branch to simply ignore any court ruling that the President and Attorney General feel is unconstitutional.

"Mr. Marshall has made his ruling, let him enforce it."
--President Andrew Jackson

14 posted on 03/23/2005 5:45:20 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: LibertarianInExile

But it's not working...


15 posted on 03/23/2005 5:45:38 PM PST by Aussie Dasher (Stop Hillary - PEGGY NOONAN '08)
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To: wagglebee

Congress needs to have the spine to reclaim its authority to impeach, convict, and remove judges. Even SCOTUS justices are not immune to impeachment and removal. No other option is acceptable, nor will any other option work as well.


16 posted on 03/23/2005 5:48:48 PM PST by ikka
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In the 1803 case of Marbury vs. Madison the Supreme Court asserted itself as the absolute arbiter of what is and isn't Constitutional. Everyone seemed to go along with this ruling and the result has become an out-of-control judiciary.

Marbury vs. Madison

17 posted on 03/23/2005 5:49:45 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: ikka

There is the easiest option of all, for the POTUS on the advise of the Attorney General to ignore these absurd rulings.


18 posted on 03/23/2005 5:51:13 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Aussie Dasher

I've been wondering the same thing these past few days. Why do we need three branches of government when the judicial branch performs the function of all three?

We should just build a state religion around them and change courthouses into temples what whatever else the judges decide they want us to do for them.

Obviously our constitution hardly an obstacle.


19 posted on 03/23/2005 5:52:22 PM PST by Duke Nukum (King had to write, to sing the song of Gan. And I had to read. How else could Roland find the Tower?)
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To make all Laws......

That menas that the Executive cannot make laws, and the Judiciary cannot make laws. Stomp 'em back down to their proper positions!

20 posted on 03/23/2005 5:53:19 PM PST by expatpat
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