I go back and forth. However, the rhetoric of the pro-Schiavo brigade here on FR is frightening.
The anti terri side tells everyone that they think handicapped people are disgusting and not worth living.
I haven't seen a single Freeper say that.
You also think it is ok for an abusive husband to render his wife in that condition
That is just baseless speculation.
You have the potentional to be a liberal demoncrap if you are not already. I would not want you to baby sit my alligator.
Like I said, rhetoric like this from your side of the debate has done a very good job of convincing me that many people on the pro-Schiavo side are not thinking rationally anymore.
The libertarian perspective has never been, and never will be, Conservative. This case makes that crystal clear.
what Terri had was simple nutrition, used by several hundred thousands thru the years.....
its murder, what they are doing....
repeat...murder...
if she was on a ventilator, and they wanted to stop it, then its entirely differant case.....
but nutrition is not a ventilator......
its murder, and people stand around like its a political issue.....one to be debated....
just murder....
The motives of Michael Schiavo, George Felos and the pro-death crowd are so long practiced that they are part of the woodwork that we all too often fail to notice because it is no longer new. Likewise, the death by judicial outrage crowd.
This entire matter is a power grab by the judiciary state and federal. It is my hope that the conservative movement and other moral people will expend time, money and resources in examining every breath of each and every one of the judges who have participated in the premeditated judicial murder of this innocent woman, and Michael Schiavo and his "legal team" as well. Their lives should be made a living hell. We are either serious or we are not and the procedural walls erected by these people should not prevail in defense of the substance of their collective evil.
That word was "evil" and we should not shrink from applying it where it is applicable as here. Giving evil the benefit of the doubt or talking nicely to those who are evil or being polite to premeditated killers need not and ought not to be part of the conservative kit bag.
If you want something by which you might be legitimately "frightened," the realize that the judiciary, state and local, is determined to further aggrandize its own power and will claim the ruight to bowl over any and all checks and balances in its way. That being said, 25 years of practicing law tells me that we need not be frightened. We need to be enraged and we need to be legally and nonviolently vindictive.
Cut judicial budgets of the federal courts, for starters, so deeply that the judges will be personally cleaning the latrines if they are cleaned at all. Needless to say, no research clerk salaries, no personal servants of any kind. Let them type their own infamous judgments. Let them be frightened of us. Give them good reason to fear the loss of their every convenience. Also see to it that any significant violation of substantive legislation by any judge gets the full propaganda treatment. If you cannot get them to preside over one anothers' convictions of crime, you can make their lives not worth living.
Our response should be perfectly legal and nonviolent vengeance to the max rather than being "frightened."
Term limit judges.
Strip the federal judiciary of any powers or jurisdiction which has been regularly abused. The constitution specifically grants to Congress that power. It is about time it was used as regularly as Congress enacts budgets or resolutions naming national reptiles or whatever.
As a matter of fact, Congress should resolve that the state and federal judges (other than Charles Wilson of the 11th Circus Court of Appeals who issued a principled dissent against judicial murder) below the level of SCOTUS be known as the national reptiles. Add Mr. Injustice Anthony Kennedy for good measure.
Refuse any and all pay raises for federal judges until the fedcourts and state courts knuckle under to the checks and balances that were supposed to constrain and prevent judicial tyranny. They may have lifetime tenure. There is no constitutional provision guaranteeing them pay raises. Some federal judges actually sued the fedgov claiming such a right. The suit went nowhere because it would be impossible to find a disinterested federal judge who would not benefit him/herself by a decision for raises.
Give the fedcourthouses and any offending state and local courthouses 50 degrees of heat and no more in winter and no air conditioning whatsoever in the summer. See the resignations pile up then. Cut their electric budgets. Disconnect most of their phones. No new computers. No computer repairs. No funding whatsoever of "judicial conferences". Geld the SOBs once and for all by using the constitutional power of the purse which clearly lies with Congress in language so simple that even a judge can read it and understand.
Every day in every way, unless and until the judges surrender to the American people and their elected legislators and executives in this ill-conceived revolution of theirs against the plain language of the constitution and against the normal presumptions of Western Civilization, make it clear to them that they are widely loathed and work in the public to destroy any residual respect for them. Dehumanize them in punishment for their crimes and those of their institutions.
Award prizes in a national contest for the fifty best ideas for making the lives of homicidal and otherwise anticonstitutional judges miserable and carry out each one that is nonviolent and statutorily and constitutionally (text not judicial invention) legal and then carry them out to the nth degree until each such judge has left public life. The Demonrats on the Senate Judiciary Committee have provided the stylistic pattern in their attacks on nominees who actually believe in the sanctity of human life and in the obligation to apply and not invent the constitution.
Often, libertarians (as to whom I am somewhat indifferent so long as they lay off Western Civilization) advocate shunning and ostracism as remedies for despised behavior in lieu of regulation and criminal law. The truly amazing thing here is that a small minority of conservatives on this site have apparently decided that even shunning and ostracism are, well, in bad taste or maybe even, well, RUDE and not at all acceptable down at the Junior League meetings or at the polo club. Pip, pip and cheerio and pass the bloodies!
If judges want to hide behind the long-dead (circa Roe vs. Wade) "rule of law", they can start by refraining in a principled way from premeditated judicial murder. They are no more authorized than anyone else to murder innocent people. The death penalty kills the guilty and far more humanely and far more justly.
Anything irrational here???? If so, the facts and not the editorials, please.