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Posted on 03/23/2005 10:01:06 AM PST by stylin_geek
For legal reasons, the names of the family and the 14-year old girl that are the subject of this story have been withheld at this time.
GRANITE CITY - A Sothern Illinois woman was arrested last week (March 17) after trying to intervene on behalf of her 14-year old daughter's effort to have an abortion. The girl was allegedly taken to an abortion clinic by the mother of the man allegedly to have impregnated the 14-year old.
According to the girl's mother, her 14-year old daughter was called off from school in Madison County by a woman posing as the girl's “grandmother.” The woman took the girl from her home only minutes before the girl’s mother returned home from work.
It was later determined that the woman who had posed as the "grandmother" to the school authorities was the mother of the male who had fathered the unborn child the 14-year old girl was carrying. The age of the male has not been released.
When the parents were notified their pregnant daughter was not at school, they suspected she had been taken to the Hope Abortion Clinic in Granite City. The parents and grandfather were the only persons authorized to request school absence for the fourteen year old female.
“My husband and I rushed to the abortion clinic where we saw our daughter’s name on the roster and the time she had checked in,” the mother said. She then went into the clinic and searched a room filled with young women awaiting abortions but did not see her daughter.
She took a seat near the main desk and said, “I was told I could not prove my daughter was there so I began calling her name. A medical tech at the clinic told me , ‘It’s your daughter’s rights, it’s her body. You have no rights.’”
After continuing to call out her daughter’s name and telling her “don’t do it,” authorities were called and the mother was arrested.
The 14-year old told her mother she could hear her but when she asked employees to give her mother a message, they came back to the room and told her that her mother had left.
Angela Michaels, of Small Victories Ministry, was tipped off as to what was happending at the Hope clinic. According to Michaels, she witnessed police placing the mother’s hands behind her back, taking her into custody. As the police were putting the mother in the squad car, she was crying out, “Please, please, help me...my daughter is in there.”
Michaels said, “Exactly one hour later at 10:35 a.m., the 14-year old emerged from the clinic looking disheveled. The 14-year old told us that employees kept her in a quiet room until the procedure was performed and she was told that her mother had left.”
Employees assured this girl on her departure, “No-one will ever know you were here, we’ll bury your records.”
In the meantime, the woman who had taken the girl for the abortion was slipped out the back door of the clinic.
The police in the community in which the family lives allegedly told the girl's mom that they couldn't intervene despite her making a charge that her daughter had been raped (by statute) because the charge was stale--7 weeks after the incident. They did tell the girl's mom that, while she had no right to stop the abortion, she did have a right to go into the clinic and speak to her daughter.
The parents are expected to file charges.
To paraphrase Mayor Guilani as quoted by someone on this board, last night: "I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you."
The girls are pregnant.
An early completed pregnancy has a significant protective effect against breast cancer, even in families where there is a strong genetic predisposition.
In order not to be pregnant, they either carry the child to the natural end of the pregnancy or they have an intentional (elective) abortion.
Are you proposing that the girl (or the general public) should not be notified of this in order, as the authors point out, to protect her right to fully informed consent?
So you think that silencing traumatized post-abortive women--women who can honestly attest to how abortion has left them in daily anguish--is okay? Its folks like you who made me keep my mouth shut for over a decade.
Who do you honestly think would be more persuasive with a woman facing an unplanned pregnancy--someone like me who has actually murdered an innocent baby and is willing and able to describe the hell that follows--or someone like you, who is doing a great job at silencing women like me?
You want to save babies? Stop hurting women.
Maybe we should make this information a routine part of high school sex ed classes too, so that sexually active girls can make a fully informed decision not to use contraceptives if they have sex. Girls with a family history of breast cancer that worries them, would be especially receptive to this message.
Providing this information about a possible benefit of continuing the pregnancy is defensible only if it is also undertaken to notify these girls of ALL the potential drawbacks -- physical and emotional -- to carrying a pregnancy to term. Physical discomfort for several months, getting behind in school with likely long term effects on educational achievement, permanent urinary continence problems, stretch marks and possibly a C-section scar, post-partum depression, long term emotional scars from giving up a baby for adoption, or from keeping it and living with the realization that all your hopes and dreams of college and a career, or of falling in love and getting married and having babies with your husband are almost certainly down the tubes, or from keeping it and watching helplessly as the child of a stressed-out, depressed, and financially strapped single mother looks for love and support in all the wrong places and gets into serious irreparable trouble. The list is awfully long, and many of the psychological and physical issues are too complex for most young girls to grasp, and the likelihood of any particular girl experiencing any particular one is highly speculative (as is the likelihood that she will get breast cancer if she has an abortion and then delays childbearing for many more years, or that she won't get breast cancer if she goes ahead and has the baby).
Personally, I regard having a baby as a huge step that should never be taken without careful advance planning and thought. The effects on society as a whole, and on the individuals directly involved, when an unplanned unwanted child is brought into the world, are often seriously negative. And rationalizations about some possible narrow personal benefit to the mother (or to both parents), such as slightly reducing breast cancer risk, getting a boyfriend to marry you, etc. don't even come close to justifying it.
uh... that's all nice and good but what exactly does it mean?
Welcome to FR! Your screen name brings back childhood memories.
Goose!
Per your reference to the "anti-abortionists", I prefer to be referred to as "pro-life". With regard to your reference to "most women who have had abortions are not traumatized": where did you get those statistics? Planned Parenthood? When you refer to the "brainwashing" being done by the "anti-abortionist", when does all this "brainwashing" take place? At a brunch hosted by the brainwasher?!? The mother who gives up her baby for adoption, but is so "traumatized" by it should have thought about that reality when she decided to sow the seed. And then, last, but not least: How utterly selfish, inexcusable, unnatural, and disgusting for you to imply that it is best to have an abortion so one doesn't have to be under the stress of raising a child she may not be "emotionally or financially" equipped to raise. God forbid these excuses for women that will kill a baby so that they are not inconvenienced. And, God forbid anyone who will shamelessly say what you have.
Shocking?
The only thing that is shocking to me is that a newspaper actually covered the story in something resembling a fair light.
A rock solid reason to NEVER allow the state access to your children.
This involves a minor. If a 14 year old girl willingly runs away with a 25 year old man because she "is in love with him" then the man would be charged with kidnapping whether the girl went willingly or not. Minors, especially those under 16, are not considered to have to the emotional maturity to make those types of decisions under our legal system. (yeah, I know, for some reason they are considered mature enough to have an abortion)
Great. Nice town.
The statute of limitations for rape is 7 weeks?
Pervert paradise!
It shouldn't be all that hard to find out the name of that POS mother and her POS son.
Shunning might be very appropriate here at the very least.
Cops in that town are shear idiots. I won't go near it.
Who, then, can speak the most honestly and eloquently and brutally of the horrors of abortion? The women who live with the guilt and pain of having had an abortion.
Oh yeah, let's not offend anyone lest they just continue to go out and murder innocent babies by any method that's convenient.
So go ahead and be offensive. Every single time you meet a woman who has had an abortion, make sure you offend her every way you know how. Go ahead and pass judgement. Cast the first stone. Do what you will.
What you will quite likely succeed in doing is silencing someone who may be able to persuade a woman dealing with an unplanned pregnancy against having an abortion.
Does that clear things up?
You're changing the conditions of the discussion - if the girls are pregnant, the consideration is whether there are long term risks in abortion vs. carrying the child they already have to term.
Girls who are not pregnant do not have to consider whether they are trading protection for risk of breast cancer.
For girls who are not pregnant and the boys around them, a different set of conditions exist: the only safe sex is sex between monogamous partners, it's healthier for them and their children, as well as safer in terms of domestic violence, premature births and healthier marriages if they do not live together before marriage, and have their children within the conventional definition of marriage as one man and one woman for life.
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