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Coalition Forms to Oppose Parts of Antiterrorism Law
NY Times ^ | March 23, 2005 | ERIC LICHTBLAU

Posted on 03/22/2005 6:45:21 PM PST by neverdem

WASHINGTON, March 22 - Battle lines were drawn Tuesday in the debate over the government's counterterrorism powers, as an unlikely coalition of liberal civil-rights advocates, conservative libertarians, gun-rights supporters and medical privacy advocates voiced their objections to crucial parts of the law that expanded those powers after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

Keeping the law intact "will do great and irreparable harm" to the Constitution by allowing the government to investigate people's reading habits, search their homes without notice and pry into their personal lives, said Bob Barr, a former Republican congressman who is leading the coalition.

Mr. Barr voted for the law, known as the USA Patriot Act, in the House just weeks after the Sept. 11 attacks but has become one of its leading critics, a shift that reflects the growing unease among some conservative libertarians over the expansion of the government's powers in fighting terrorism.

He joined with other conservatives as well as the American Civil Liberties Union on Tuesday in announcing the creation of the coalition, which hopes to curtail some of the law's more sweeping law-enforcement provisions.

But Bush administration officials on Tuesday affirmed their strong support for the law as an indispensable tool in tracking, following and arresting terrorist suspects. As one of his top legislative priorities, President Bush has prodded Congress repeatedly to extend critical parts of the law that are set to expire at the year's end.

The coalition of liberals and conservatives said it had no quarrel with the majority of the expanded counterterrorism tools that the law provided, some of which amounted to modest upgrades in the government's ability to use modern technology in wiretapping phone calls and the like.

But the group said it would focus its efforts on urging Congress to scale back three provisions of the law that let federal agents conduct "sneak and peek" searches of a home or business without immediately notifying the subject of such searches; demand records from institutions like libraries and medical offices; and use a broad definition of terrorism in pursuing suspects.

The group, calling itself Patriots to Restore Checks and Balances, asked Mr. Bush in a letter Tuesday to reconsider his "unqualified endorsement" of the law.

"We agree that much of the Patriot Act is necessary to provide law enforcement with the resources they need to defeat terrorism," the letter said, "but we remain very concerned that some of its provisions go beyond its mission and infringe on the rights of law-abiding Americans, in ways that raise serious constitutional and practical concerns."

Although Congressional action is still probably months away, both sides are already girding for an intense debate. Previous efforts to curtail parts of the law have won significant support in Congress, but the administration and Republican leaders have ultimately beaten back the challenges. Mr. Barr said he considered the debate "the single most important issue" facing Congress.

The Bush administration has offered a sharp rebuttal to growing attacks on the law in the last two years, saying that federal agents have used their new powers sparingly and judiciously.

Administration officials note that the Justice Department's inspector general and other groups that have examined the law have not documented any abuses of power.

Critics, however, counter that because most aspects of the law's use in terrorism cases remain classified, it has been very difficult to assess how it is being utilized.

Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales has indicated that he is open to a dialogue on the future of the law and possible changes, and his chief spokeswoman, Tasia Scolinos, affirmed that pledge Tuesday. "The Department of Justice has spearheaded the call for active discussion and meaningful dialogue on the reauthorization of the Patriot Act," she said.

Justice Department officials said they believed that the coalition's apparent acceptance of all but three elements of the law signaled that the two sides could find room for negotiation on the remaining areas of disagreement.

But coalition members said that the Bush administration's commitment to a dialogue struck them as somewhat half-hearted. Paul Weyrich, who is chairman of the Free Congress Foundation and a prominent conservative who joined the coalition, said he thought the administration, and in particular the former attorney general, John Ashcroft, had adopted an "absolutist" defense of the law.

Mr. Weyrich said he took offense at comments by Mr. Ashcroft suggesting that if people raised concerns about the law, "you were aiding and abetting terrorists. I don't think my colleagues here ought to be put in that position."

Other conservatives who voiced concerns Tuesday included Grover Norquist, president of Americans for Taxpayer Reform; David Keane, chairman of the American Conservative Union, and leaders of the Second Amendment Foundation and other gun-rights groups.

Mr. Barr said that the group hoped "to compete with the bully pulpit of the White House" in prompting a more complete airing of the issues.

"Missing from the debate has been a substantial discussion and analysis about restoring the checks and balances in the Constitution" while fighting terrorism, he said.


TOPICS: Editorial
KEYWORDS: aclu; acu; banglist; bobbarr; congress; counterterrorism; davidkeane; doj; grovernorquist; gwot; justicedepartment; patriotact; terrorism

1 posted on 03/22/2005 6:45:21 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem
Attorney General Ashcroft said no such thing.

But then the truth is not a hot commodity with those who would bash the president on the issue of national security.

2 posted on 03/22/2005 6:46:54 PM PST by OldFriend ("If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child might have peace." Thomas Paine)
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To: neverdem
If the New York Times had been attacked in this war they would be whining for tougher provisions.

So, maybe AlQaida could put them on the targeting list ~ just to make the rest of us feel better about AlQaida if nothing else!

3 posted on 03/22/2005 6:50:55 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: neverdem
Basics first. Judiciary reform. Tax reform. Congressional reform. These basic issues touch a lot more people than the USA PATRIOT Act ever will. Until then, more federal numbskulls judges will just chip away at and nullify the Act anyway.
4 posted on 03/22/2005 6:52:37 PM PST by LurkedLongEnough
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To: neverdem

If Bob Barr is behind it, there must be something to it.


5 posted on 03/22/2005 7:10:18 PM PST by henderson field
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To: neverdem

Coalition as in the ACLU and well, the ACLU and then there's the ACLU.


6 posted on 03/22/2005 7:12:13 PM PST by rod1
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To: neverdem
Mr. Barr voted for the law, known as the USA Patriot Act, in the House just weeks after the Sept. 11 attacks but has become one of its leading critics, a shift that reflects the growing unease among some conservative libertarians over the expansion of the government's powers in fighting terrorism.

Barr hasn't joined the ranks of libertarians, as far as I know. He supported the "War on Some Drug Users", and I haven't heard him recant that.

7 posted on 03/22/2005 7:12:30 PM PST by secretagent
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To: neverdem
A close friend of mine belongs to the ACLU.

She is a peacenik Liberal who thinks the Patriot Act means she will automatically be watched by the FBI if she takes out biographies of Communists at her local library.

8 posted on 03/22/2005 7:13:00 PM PST by syriacus (Why is Michael Schiavo trying to "end the misery" of a woman he says can't think or feel?)
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To: syriacus

LOL!


9 posted on 03/22/2005 7:15:14 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: henderson field

"If Bob Barr is behind it, there must be something to it."

That's my feeling too.


10 posted on 03/22/2005 8:16:34 PM PST by New Orleans Slim
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To: syriacus

"A close friend of mine belongs to the ACLU."

Sorry, but I would be more afraid of the friend than the Patriot Act.
Is being a card carrying member of the ACLU less of an offense than taking out a biography of Communists?


11 posted on 03/22/2005 9:05:57 PM PST by Just A Nobody
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To: neverdem

..."coalition?" Yeah...groups like CAIR, DU, neo-Nazis,...


12 posted on 03/22/2005 9:10:21 PM PST by familyop (Essayons!)
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To: OldFriend
...as an unlikely coalition of liberal civil-rights advocates, conservative libertarians, gun-rights supporters and medical privacy advocates...

That coalition could very well be our political undoing which will put Hillary in office. If they are successful here they will move on to other projects. Either way, we are split and the Dems are not.

13 posted on 03/22/2005 10:29:03 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all things that need to be done need to be done by the government.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
Too complicated for the sheeple. Most have had no contact with any of these issues. Too abstract and too diverse a coalition.

Just my opinion.

14 posted on 03/23/2005 5:44:06 AM PST by OldFriend ("If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child might have peace." Thomas Paine)
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To: OldFriend
Too abstract and too diverse a coalition.

Yes, as are the issues each supports. It could be another Pat Buchanan debacle but it could also be enough cohesion to peel off the 3% - 5% from the Republicans that would give us our own tyranny here in the good old USA.

15 posted on 03/23/2005 7:55:49 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all things that need to be done need to be done by the government.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
We have only a short window till 2006.....let's hope we get our act together.

Corzine running for governor of NJ hs been demanding a dimuntion of the Patriot Act.

He went to the city in NJ where they cheered when the Towers fell.....with Congressman Menendez to bash the Act.

Imagine in the site of the WTC they want to make life easier for those who would murder us all.

16 posted on 03/23/2005 8:02:33 AM PST by OldFriend ("If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child might have peace." Thomas Paine)
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To: OldFriend
Imagine in the site of the WTC they want to make life easier for those who would murder us all.

As if it weren't easy enough already. Although the Patriot Act is much more benign than presented in the press, I suppose were it a push by the left I would be suspicious myself. However, it all boils down to honest and honorable men in government and we know the left's goals are not in keeping with our government as founded. We also know of the scarcity of good men and women in government from either side. Perhaps it is simply my prejudice but I think most conservatives are honorable and most liberals are not..

17 posted on 03/23/2005 8:25:35 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all things that need to be done need to be done by the government.)
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To: henderson field

I would be more inclined to believe that Barr was deceived by this group or is inclined to the "slipery slope" arguement that says that the Patriot Act Could be used in a bad way. (Well what can't?)

If the ACLU and that bunch of American haters is in this coalition, I only hope Bob Barr is there to keep tabs on them. This is not a movement that conservatives want to support. When a group of conservatives takes a position that the ACLU opposes, then we have a group who needs support.


18 posted on 03/23/2005 8:31:10 AM PST by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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