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Michigan bill would ban medical decisions if adultery is involved
AP ^ | 3/22/2005 | Amy F. Bailey

Posted on 03/22/2005 4:03:02 PM PST by Crackingham

A Michigan lawmaker is working on legislation that would prohibit a spouse having an affair from denying food, fluids or medical treatment to a wife or husband who cannot make such decisions.

Rep. Joel Sheltrown on Tuesday said he wants to avoid a situation similar to Terri Schiavo's.

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Sheltrown, a Democrat from West Branch, said Michigan should strengthen its protections before a similar situation happens here.

"While people, in happier times, may trust their spouses to make future medical decisions for them, situations change," Sheltrown said in a statement. "In a situation where an incapacitated patient lives at the mercy of an adulterous spouse, it is in the patient's interest to make a presumption in favor of life."

Michigan law already prohibits the denial of life-sustaining treatment, such as food and water, unless the patient has expressed that such action be taken, said Sheltrown, who expects to introduce the bill in about three weeks.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: adultery; blessedterri; investigatemichael; jesusmercy; prayforterri; schiavo; stupidwasteoftime; tearsforterri; terri; terrischiavo
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To: B Knotts
It's mostly Catholics I have heard "I don't believe in divorce" but it is not limited to that faith. It just seams that Catholics tend to say it more. And I'm not inferring faithful Catholics. Maybe the Ted Kennedy wing??? Yes, I've heard it from other faiths, but it's 95% of the time from a Catholic in the midst of some other sin (major). The comment wasn't meant to be against our diversity of faith.

But since you chimed in, why does it happen?

201 posted on 03/22/2005 6:51:36 PM PST by joesbucks
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To: sinkspur
Did you hear the statement by the Schindler's? That Terri will "burn in hell" if she dies this way. These people are nuts. Absolutely, friggin' nuts!!

On what basis are they making this statement? Are they members of an extreme Catholic group?

202 posted on 03/22/2005 6:52:37 PM PST by joesbucks
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To: maine-iac7

The Schindlers case was that Terri's feeding tube should not be removed. Michael's case is that it should.

I'd say, however Terri felt, it sounds like both sides were represented in court.


203 posted on 03/22/2005 6:53:15 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Peach
Don't put words in my mouth or we won't communicate again.

Promise?

if you'll remember, the very first comment I made on one of your posts was that I was not addressing you - but commenting for others to read - and requested you not respond directly to me in the first place?

So your threat to not "communicate" with me is about as decipherable as most of your posts.

Now keep your promise...

204 posted on 03/22/2005 6:56:43 PM PST by maine-iac7 (."...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time" LINCOLN)
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To: maine-iac7

Read the Judges decision today...she's had numerous swallow tests done for several years. Every single Dr. at every single facility she was tested at came to the same conclusion. It was hardly any grand conspiracy. Have you read the court decisions in this case...The GAL reports. Or does all your info come from terrisfightorg.


205 posted on 03/22/2005 6:58:34 PM PST by KDD
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To: maine-iac7

And yet you were so dishonest to post to me and put at the end of a long rambling monologue that you weren't posting to me. Okay. Well, that's clear then. You don't know what you're talking about.


206 posted on 03/22/2005 6:59:13 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: anniegetyourgun
This nation is so ready to err on the side of death in just about any case

Except for murderers and rapists. They get to live. Babies and sick people get to die.

207 posted on 03/22/2005 6:59:24 PM PST by RightWhale (Please correct if cosmic balance requires.)
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To: Crackingham

Normally I would say the law is not an A$$ and in this case it appears to be the judges who are horses behinds...but a law like this will only complicate things...this Shiavo case sure makes one wonder about the benefits of marriage...


208 posted on 03/22/2005 6:59:25 PM PST by rolling_stone
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To: joesbucks
But since you chimed in, why does it happen?

The short answer: Original sin.

Yes, there are a lot of "cultural Catholics" who engage in whatever sins but still abide by certain Church teachings. I'm glad for the fact that they at least will stick to something the Church teaches, anyhow.

We're all sinners, after all.

I think there is a pragmatic aspect to this, too, though. Catholics, even those who rarely if ever assist at Mass, wish to marry in the Church. And, because of the Church teaching on marriage, they can't do that after having been divorced, without an annulment, which can be a hassle to get (although they usually seem to be granted).

209 posted on 03/22/2005 7:07:32 PM PST by B Knotts
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To: sodpoodle

LOL


210 posted on 03/22/2005 7:10:08 PM PST by meema
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To: joesbucks

This isn't being reported anywhere, so I don't know about the accuracy of that quote.

I'd keep in mind though, that they may be just slightly distraught, as their daughter is currently being murdered with state cooperation.


211 posted on 03/22/2005 7:11:15 PM PST by B Knotts
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To: AlbionGirl
I don't recall when we crossed the death line. I NEVER thought a spouse had the right to take their partner's life (in any manner). I thought the request to not have medical procedures HAD to be in writing. Can my spouse deny me emergency life-supporting medical treatment and would the EMS people be required to go along with that and could my spouse donate my organs against my will?

The medical profession is not to diminish the condition of their client and thus the medical profession cannot make such decision. Several years ago I remember someone fighting a long court battle to end their life. Dr. Death is in jail for assisting people who wanted to die.

What event, if any, opened wide the door to spouses/families having life and death control with nothing in writing or the written wishes not exposed. This is what the law should be not some new law about adultery.

I do believe they will be killing us off for our organs. After-all, it is the medical profession, organ donation, and emergency situations that automatically gets you hooked up to the lifesaving equipment that "they" later decide they want you to make the decision to unhook.

I have asked myself many times if all the life-sustaining/support equipment is really necessary and I conclude that there must be many instances it is done solely to allow time to pose the question, while keeping the organs fresh for someone else. I believe it unfairly forces your family into a position of correcting the inappropriate use of the life-support equipment. I believe organ donations has a place in this puzzle of degradation. I would like someone to give me another marker and try to convince me I am wrong.

212 posted on 03/22/2005 7:28:54 PM PST by Snoopers-868th
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To: B Knotts

Thank you. appreciate your insight. It just gives Christians in general and Catholics (I've heard my concern expressed by many people other than myself) a black eye.


213 posted on 03/22/2005 7:31:22 PM PST by joesbucks
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To: Servant of the 9
Ohh, good. Now there can be an adultery case tried before anything can be done about someone.

Good point......... not that you needed to hear it from me.

;-)

214 posted on 03/23/2005 1:48:11 AM PST by beyond the sea (Colonial Script........... or nationalize The Federal Bank..)
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To: Crackingham

Yikes! Here it comes!


215 posted on 03/23/2005 5:52:14 AM PST by meema
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To: Peach
Hey, all politicians in your bedroom, all the time. Isn't that the new motto of the GOP?

For a year and a half.

In November 2006, it will be replaced with the new motto, "Where the F_(< did the truck come from?!?!"

216 posted on 03/23/2005 5:57:50 AM PST by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: Trout-Mouth

Your comments re maintaining life support for the purpose of organ donation decisions is spot-on. I believe many donations are well-meaning and helpful in some cases, but certainly not all.
Poorer quality organs are given to patients who are not truly good candidates. I have personal/family experience in this matter. These organ recipients end up costing so much, and fail...
My brother spent 2 years on a possible list, much to my amazment. I loved him dearly, but he should never have been on any list.
Is this 'practice making the procedure perfect' for mucho taxpayer $$$?


217 posted on 03/23/2005 6:19:37 AM PST by meema
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To: Crackingham

WOOHOOO! Excellent. You should see what the DUmp trolls are saying about this one. One actually said "oh man, just when I thought it couldn't get any worse!" !!! How can they POSSIBLY be against this one?


218 posted on 03/23/2005 10:04:13 AM PST by Terriergal (What is the meaning of life?? Man's chief end is to glorify God and to enjoy him for ever.)
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To: joesbucks; B Knotts
If I am not mistaken the Lutheran faith is a branch off of the Catholic faith, and very similar in teachings. And just because we all sin doesn't make it ok...

The Bible states, there are sins of omission and sins of comission, those we do unknowingly, and those we do knowing we do them. I would think that in being a faithful Christian, and following the true teachings of Christ, one would do all one could to be as near perfect as one could, so if repeating known sins seems to be an everyday occurence, I don't think that would sit well with God.

Nor do I think that State sanctioned euthenasia would either, no matter what label you give the situation of the patient involved.

Especially when the "husband" involved has a potential conflict of interest in his position when representing his "wife". That should be the main point of focus for any Judge that reviews the case.
219 posted on 03/23/2005 3:38:59 PM PST by BedRock ("A country that doesn't enforce it's laws will live in chaos, & will cease to exist.")
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To: BedRock
If I am not mistaken the Lutheran faith is a branch off of the Catholic faith,

True. But it branched off in 1517.

and very similar in teachings.

Uhh...depends on how you define "similar," I guess. Both share a belief in a triune God, but there are numerous doctrinal differences, even, I think, between different branches of Lutheranism.

220 posted on 03/23/2005 3:44:28 PM PST by B Knotts
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