Posted on 03/22/2005 1:21:25 PM PST by Asphalt
St. Francis Catholic worker Lana Jacobs (R) is arrested by Pinellas Park, Florida police officers and is handcuffed by Pinellas Park Sheriff deputies for trespassing. Jacobs tried to take a bottle of water into the Woodside Hospice for Terri Schiavo in Pinellas Park, Florida on March 22, 2005. Schiavo, the brain-damaged woman who resides at the Hospice had her feeding tube removed last Friday, March 18, 2005 by a court order. REUTERS/Rick Fowler
Exactly.
Don't you have something better to do, like watch a "Faces of Death" video or something???
Talk about brain dead.
Actually, you're the one who refuses to see the frightening similarities.
This is no different than putting a bunch of people behind a chain link fence, denying them food and water, and telling cops to keep people from taking in sustenance.
Pretty much what the Nazi guards did when the Jews were rounded up. Check the Nuremburg laws, and see where it became illegal to help out Jews.
But, hey, the guards were "just doing their duty." And, it was done under sanction of courts and laws passed by a legislative body.
But THIS is worse than a bad Steven King story!
Sure makes a "Living Will" a priority!
With all deference to AC/DC, I've got the biggest balls of them all. I don't mind telling you what I think by any means.
I wish, sincerely wish, that Michael Schiavo would have considered getting his wife the treatment and care that she deserved. Michael Schiavo is a complete jerk for treating his wife with such inhumanity. There will be special corner in Hell reserved especially for him.
That being said, I don't understand what the legal question is here. God bless Mr. and Mrs. Schindler for trying to do what is right for their daughter. However, Terri is a married adult. I was under the impression that the spouse has the power of attorney unless they are incapacitated themselves or go through legal proceedings to allow for someone else to have it. From what I understand, that has not happened. So how is it that the Schindlers have any legal standing in this matter?
Whether moral or not, I don't understand what the legal question is and why this has drug on for 15 years.
Additionally, starvation has got to be a horrible way to die. I wish, if the courts have stated that Michael Schiavo has the right to order her taken off life support (and yes, a feeding tube is a type of life support) and death is a foregone conclusion, that it could happen by some means that was quicker and less painful.
Additionally, many on FR don't want to take the attacks and flaming that I am sure to get over this post by disagreeing. You may not be one of these, but there are MANY FReepers that are so dedicated to their cause (and, I do admire that dedication!) that they will attack anyone who even has a hint or tinge of disagreement with them on any one small point. Some of these folks are rabid.
And, I stick by my original statement, how did that old fat woman get by the guards?
Advocating that the judicial and executive branches of government follow the law is not "taking the liberal position." Now if you want to advocate a change in the law in the legislative branch, that's great, but a completely different matter.
Are prisoners on death row in each of the 50 United States ever denied food and water for periods, in order to punish them for anything?
Saw one of those one time in a bioethics class. Very interesting (and yes, disturbing at times). That was my first exposure to the whole deal of beheadings in the Middle East. A man was beheaded for raping and murdering a woman. At the "tender" age of 16, I thought that might not be a bad idea. Haven't really strayed from that concept yet.
You're missing a KEY concept here. The Nuhremberg trials were in regards to war crimes. Those are a whole different set of laws than the US Code or Florida statutes. Those convicted at Nuhremberg were guilty of doing something illegal.
What did these deputies do that was illegal?
What they did wasn't illegal during the Nazi regime.
" Freepers usually flip out when a judge substitutes their personal views over the letter of the law, and yet they're calling this judge names for refusing to be an activist."
Er...the decision this judge made WAS the activist one. Radical socialist thought argues for the extermination of all who would be a burden on society "for the common good". Contemporary bioethics professors espouse this belief.
I must admit that your liberal stance on nearly every issue (IIRC)in conjunction with your feelings that this judge was "refusing to be an activist" is highly suspect. But I won't stoop so low as to call you a DU troll. Not yet anyway.
Didn't I hear on FR that Gov Bush had the power to use force and the courts did not? I think we just learned differently. The courts can use force (the police) to enforce their decisions. Just exactly who has final authority over police actions?
Interesting point...so, if the Gov calls in the Nat'l Guard to reinsert the feeding tube, do the police step in to stop the Nat'l Guard?
Sure wish you could get there in your Xena costume and your sword. That should get the media there.
W-A-R crimes. Correct, it was not illegal in Germany, but this went above and beyond Germany.
The Schiavo case does not go beyond the United States (and I'm not so sure it goes beyond Florida).
Hmm, so by that standard, what the cops did doesn't become a crime against humanity until we invade and enslave neighboring countries?
Do a google on 'hemlock society, george felos'. There's your agenda. And it won't stop in fla. Anymore than it stopped when John Ashcroft was fighting them in oregon. Where is our new attorney general?
I appreciate your candidness. If more of the pro-death crowd would come out front about their views (instead of taking cheap shots at the doctors and family who support Terri etc...), and be willing to have an open, sincere debate about it, much of the vitriol would diminish, IMHO.
I mean I'm not sure it legally goes beyond Florida . . . as in, I'm not positive that the federal courts had any say in this matter. However, since they took up the case, I'll give those more well-versed in the law than I the benefit of the doubt.
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