RUSH LIMBAUGH LIVE THREAD ( those who want an update and accurate on TERRI SCHIAVO STATE!

WABC radio ^ | MARCH 22, 2005

[restornu]

Terri Brother ..................Terri early on in a hospice .................. Michael has let his wife deteriate!
Compare the early Hospice Photo

At this time Terri was able to chew and swallow and was learning to use the pararall bars to walk again...as soon as the malpactice law suit was won Michael Schiavo remember his wife wanted to die...so he would move her from one location to another every time they thought she was ready to start rehab again!

Lets try to have the same page to fight the MISLEADING OUT THERE!

[restornu]

you were the last post at the time I posted that imformation
nothing more.....

[Springman]

Bump for later.

[ontos-on]

Isn't it interesting. That seminar caller to Rush re Frist AND the same jive with Bob Schieffer the same day. I just happened to now be listening to a seminar caller on KABC -Michael Medved with the same line against Frist and blah blah blah. What a coincidence.

[jwalsh07]

How do you even know that was her CAT scan?

I don't know for sure. But it is the one circulating on the internet with all the "experts" like you looking at it and proclaiming her brain is gone.

And how do I know you are what you say you are? It's the internet for crying out loud, which is why I've been relying on court testimony vs. some of the crazy stuff out there.

Take it or leave it, I could care less. Of course we could discuss diagnostic imaging and one of us could play the fool and the other exhibit a wide array of knowledge in same. Interested?

[WhistlingPastTheGraveyard]

As opposed to Napoleon Dynamite threads, right?

[Coop]

This is why no one has fed her orally. She can't do it.

So the nurses who say she was swallowing are lying?

[First_Salute]

Please see reply 360. [Top of the image.]The CT scan clearly shows the presence of some cerebral cortex that is under pressure by spinal fluid, the brain cells being squeezed a bit, a condition known as hydrocephalus, and otherwise the cortex has atrophied some, but it is not "totally gone."

Because of "aging," people have some varying degree of cortical atrophy later in life, and the bio-chemical causes remain a major research problem. Yet, in Terri's case, immobility --- the suspended animation that Michael Schiavo had imposed upon her, by not honoring her wish to die (according to him and Judge Greer), all those days, leading to months and then on up to eight years --- has accelerated her cortical atrophy.

Michael Schiavo, given his assertion is true, that "she would never would want to live like that," denied her wishes for nearly 2,800 days. In addition, he kept that information, along with his brother's and sister-in-law's knowledge of it, to him, and their, selves.

That, also, through the time period of not telling the jury in the malpractice suit(s), that she wanted to die --- no, instead, he told them, that he would dedicate himself to her living, and so, he eventually received for himself and for her, combined, a net exceeding $1,600,000.

I leave to you, the research on all the other "care" he and his allies claim that he afforded her.

By the way, hydrocephalus can be caused by a restriction of flow down your spinal column, and the compression fracture at L1 in Terri's lumbar curve, could be the problem. That would be the compression fracture that occurred somewhere around the original incident in February 1990.

Discounting all the other indications of "trauma" that have been reported, and given a patient with her history, an MRI of her complete spine should have been done THEN. A side-view MRI scan of the spine, can show the restricted splinal column flow.

It may be, that Terri indeed, did just plain "collapse." A good neurologist would want further revelation: MRI; because you would want to know where there might be the mechanical restriction.

Some of the problem, there, is that shrinkages and atrophy in parts of the brain, remain so much a mystery and problem for researchers, that there are, of course, people who will simply not consider the mechanical possibilities, unless there has been a mechanical - traumatic accident. This "school" of doctors and researchers lean toward answering the bio-chemical mystery, instead of pursuing that and the bio-mechanical mystery.

Whether or not Michael had anything to do with her collapse, the doctors should have done, and still should do, an MRI.

Because it is possible that she somehow managed the original L1 compression fracture, and soon, during the weeks leading up to her "collapse," the backup of spinal fluid flow, began to affect her brain and stem ... leading, in her case, because of the stress in their married lives, to a triggering event.

Yet, the failure by Michael, who knew CPR, but he did not provide her with CPR, even though "only a few seconds" transpired from the moment he heard the "thud" in their apartment, until he was at her side ... remains as another indication of how he has a track record of denying her.

Some shrinks like to call that, "abandonment."

All in all, it may still be, that he "just plain skipped all the sensitivity training" that is required for maintaining a loving relationship. Probably most members of this forum, can testify to that!

Yet, his failure to act promptly on her behalf, whether CPR or respecting her wish to die, in early 1990, is, as they like to say, "eggregious" at the least.

The Florida probate and appeals courts' playing along with and then usurping that game, is repugnant to our Constitution.

Eight years, he kept her imprisoned before he acted upon her wish to die. Incredible.

[Freedom Dignity n Honor]

She hasn't had a feeding tube for the last 15 years.

Only about the last 7 years.

She could swallow when she left the hospital.

[Bahbah]

What a coincidence.

Things that make you go hmmmm. They don't much care whether what they say is the truth, which is troublesome.

[WhistlingPastTheGraveyard]

So the nurses who say she was swallowing are lying?

Everybody's lying but Michael Schiavo and George Felos. That's the box they're painting themselves into.

[First_Salute]

Bump.

[First_Salute]

Thanks; very interesting stuff.

[First_Salute]

She obviously has hydrocephalus.

[restornu]

I asked you peach if you endorse Ethical Center for right to die......this Cat-scan is form the http://www.miami.edu/ethics2/

Her Husband had all of her medical files sealed so what is this?

Michael Schiavo, Judge Greer and noted euthanasia lawyer, George Felos, remain determined that Terri must die “for her own good.” They ignore videotape evidence, and testimony from doctors, nurses, physical therapists, and other medical professionals that Terri is aware, alert, responsive, would benefit from rehabilitation therapy and likely regain her ability to swallow.

These men have treated Terri appallingly. They have denied visits from family members; refused to open the blinds in her room; refused medication for routine infections, which would be fatal if untreated and withheld dental and gynecological tests and treatments for seven years. They even refused to allow her parish priest to administer the Last Rites to her in October 2003 when her feeding tube was removed.
http://www.chooselifepa.org/terri.html

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THIS IS THE HUMANIST VERSION OF EVENTS taken from the
University of Miami part of the School of Law's Center for Ethics and Public Service

Humanist version of God is Ethics some men really believe they can be ARBITER of TRUTH!

ETHICS HOME > SCHIAVO CASE RESOURCES > TIMELINE

KEY EVENTS IN THE CASE OF THERESA MARIE SCHIAVO

Steven Haidar, Dartmouth College/University of Miami

Kathy Cerminara, Nova Southeastern University, Shepard Broad Law Center

This content may be reproduced for non-commercial, education purposes only, with appropriate attribution to the source. (For more information, read our copyright policy.) Please send comments, suggestions and corrections to Ken Goodman, UM Ethics Programs, at ethics@miami.edu. News media and others seeking comment from Florida Bioethics Network leaders should call 305-243-5723.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1366788/posts?page=34#34

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George Felos
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=RNWE,RNWE:2004-47,RNWE:en&q=George+Felos+UM+Ethics+Programs

Teknosis: Exortation to the Florida House Representatives and to ...... Miami, associate professor of medicine at UM and director of the bio-ethics program) has been ... in anyone’s mind as to George Felos’ connection to ...
tekgnosis.typepad.com/tekgnosis/ 2005/02/exortation_to_t.html - 30k - Cached - Similar pages

The programs themselves were ... End-of-Life Care, a Robert Wood Johnson Foundation national
program office housed at UM’s Practical Ethics Center, discusses ...
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:ynE5a6xMoPQJ:www.lifes-end.org/news/pdf/0010.pdf+UM+Ethics+Programs+soros&hl=en

[restornu]

See # 454

[WhistlingPastTheGraveyard]

Thanks for the ping.

[Mo1]

Thank you for the ping Restie .. but I cannot respond to these Terry threads .. at least for the time being

I am sickened by the whole thing and I fear there is nothing short of a miracle will save her

As Catholic, I pray for her .. for I feel this is wrong to starve her to death

As an American citizen, I weep for her

As MS .. may god have mercy on him .. for I don't

[cyncooper]

Please remove me from your ping list.

Thanks

[SerpentDove]

"Ahem. Are you unaware that the State of Florida considers feeding tubes life saving equipment?"

No, I am aware of that. But to say that Terri is being kept alive via a machine is a misrepresentation of the truth.

[Mo1]

"Ahem. Are you unaware that the State of Florida considers feeding tubes life saving equipment?"

Yes .. I believe it was a law that was passed one year AFTER MS filed his peititon to have Terry's feeding tube removed