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RUSH LIMBAUGH LIVE THREAD ( those who want an update and accurate on TERRI SCHIAVO STATE!
WABC radio ^ | MARCH 22, 2005

Posted on 03/22/2005 9:24:20 AM PST by restornu


Terri Brother ..................Terri early on in a hospice .................. Michael has let his wife deteriate!
Compare the early Hospice Photo

At this time Terri was able to chew and swallow and was learning to use the pararall bars to walk again...as soon as the malpactice law suit was won Michael Schiavo remember his wife wanted to die...so he would move her from one location to another every time they thought she was ready to start rehab again!

Lets try to have the same page to fight the MISLEADING OUT THERE!


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To: sola_fide

It wasn't "poison" - it was insulin. Terri didn't need insulin - her sugar levels were normal. The nurse found the vile in the garbage - which means in his greed and lust to kill his wife - he was very stupid. Too bad the nurse didn't pick up the vile and take it to the police - the guy's fingerprints would have been all over it.

I find it interesting that the husband REQUIRED to be alone with her AND EVEN LOCKED THE DOOR TO HER ROOM WHILE HE WAS THERE. Why? What was he doing that he didn't want other people to know - he's a Registered Nurse - he knew what insulin would do to her.


121 posted on 03/22/2005 10:21:36 AM PST by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: sola_fide

I just watched Jay Wolfson on Fox news with David Asman I believe and he gave a good report on the doctor. He sounded like he was trying to justify his findings more than simply stating them.


122 posted on 03/22/2005 10:22:15 AM PST by CajunConservative
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To: Fudd Fan
This is the Affidavit of the nurse.

AFFIDAVIT

STATE OF FLORIDA )

COUNTY OF PINELLAS )

BEFORE ME the undersigned authority personally appeared CARLA SAUER IYER, R.N., who being first duly sworn, deposes and says:

1. My name is Carla Sauer Iyer. I am over the age of eighteen and make this statement of my own personal knowledge.

2. I am a registered nurse in the State of Florida, having been licensed continuously in Florida from 1997 to the present. Prior to that I was a Licensed Practical Nurse for about four years.

3. I was employed at Palm Garden of Largo Convalescent Center in Largo, Florida from April of 1995 to July 1996, while Terri Schiavo was a patient there.

4. It was clear to me at Palm Gardens that all decisions regarding Terri Schiavo were made by Michael Schiavo, with no allowance made for any discussion, debate or normal professional judgment. My initial training there consisted solely of the instruction "Do what Michael Schiavo tells you or you will be terminated." This struck me as extremely odd.

5. I was very disturbed by the decision making protocol, as no allowance whatsoever was made for professional responsibility. The atmosphere throughout the facility was dominated by Mr. Schiavo's intimidation. Everyone there, with the exception of several people who seemed to be close to Michael, was intimidated by him. Michael Schiavo always had an overbearing attitude, yelling numerous times such things as "This is my order and you're going to follow it." He is very large and uses menacing body language, such as standing too close to you, getting right in your face and practically shouting.

6. To the best of my recollection, rehabilitation had been ordered for Terri, but I never saw any being done or had any reason at all to believe that there was ever any rehab of Terri done at Palm Gardens while I was there. I became concerned because nothing was being done for Terri at all, no antibiotics, no tests, no range of motion therapy, no stimulation, no nothing. Michael said again and again that Terri should NOT get any rehab, that there should be no range of motion whatsoever, or anything else. I and a CNA named Roxy would give Terri range of motion anyway. One time I put a wash cloth in Terri's hand to keep her fingers from curling together, and Michael saw it and made me take it out, saying that was therapy.

7. Terri's medical condition was systematically distorted and misrepresented. When I worked with her, she was alert and oriented. Terri spoke on a regular basis while in my presence, saying such things as "mommy," and "help me." "Help me" was, in fact, one of her most frequent utterances. I heard her say it hundreds of times. Terri would try to say the word "pain" when she was in discomfort, but it came out more like "pay." She didn't say the "n" sound very well. During her menses she would indicate her discomfort by saying "pay" and moving her arms toward her lower abdominal area. Other ways that she would indicate that she was in pain included pursing her lips, grimacing, thrashing in bed, curling her toes or moving her legs around. She would let you know when she had a bowel movement by flipping up the covers and pulling on her diaper.

8. When I came into her room and said "Hi, Terri", she would always recognize my voice and her name, and would turn her head all the way toward me, saying "Haaaiiiii" sort of, as she did. I recognized this as a "hi", which is very close to what it sounded like, the whole sound being only a second or two long. When I told her humorous stories about my life or something I read in the paper, Terri would chuckle, sometimes more a giggle or laugh. She would move her whole body, upper and lower. Her legs would sometimes be off the bed, and need to be repositioned. I made numerous entries into the nursing notes in her chart, stating verbatim what she said and her various behaviors, but by my next on-duty shift, the notes would be deleted from her chart. Every time I made a positive entry about any responsiveness of Terri's, someone would remove it after my shift ended. Michael always demanded to see her chart as soon as he arrived, and would take it in her room with him. I documented Terri's rehab potential well, writing whole pages about Terri's responsiveness, but they would always be deleted by the next time I saw her chart. The reason I wrote so much was that everybody else seemed to be afraid to make positive entries for fear of their jobs, but I felt very strongly that a nurses job was to accurately record everything we see and hear that bears on a patients condition and their family. I upheld the Nurses Practice Act, and if it cost me my job, I was willing to accept that.

9. Throughout my time at Palm Gardens, Michael Schiavo was focused on Terri's death. Michael would say "When is she going to die?," "Has she died yet?" and "When is that bitch gonna die?" These statements were common knowledge at Palm Gardens, as he would make them casually in passing, without regard even for who he was talking to, as long as it was a staff member. Other statements which I recall him making include "Can't you do anything to accelerate her death - won't she ever die?" When she wouldn't die, Michael would be furious. Michael was also adamant that the family should not be given information. He made numerous statements such as "Make sure the parents aren't contacted." I recorded Michael's statements word for word in Terri's chart, but these entries were also deleted after the end of my shift. Standing orders were that the family wasn't to be contacted, in fact, there was a large sign in the front of her chart that said under no circumstances was her family to be called, call Michael immediately, but I would call them, anyway, because I thought they should know about their daughter.

10. Any time Terri would be sick, like with a UTI or fluid buildup in her lungs, colds, pneumonia, Michael would be visibly excited, thrilled even, hoping that she would die. He would call me, as I was the nurse supervisor on the floor, and ask for every little detail about her temperature, blood pressure, etc., and would call back frequently asking if she was dead yet. He would blurt out "I'm going to be rich!," and would talk about all the things he would buy when Terri died, which included a new car, a new boat, and going to Europe, among other things.

11. When Michael visited Terri, he always came alone and always had the door closed and locked while he was with Terri. He would typically be there about twenty minutes or so. When he left Terri would would be trembling, crying hysterically, and would be very pale and have cold sweats. It looked to me like Terri was having a hypoglycemic reaction, so I'd check her blood sugar. The glucometer reading would be so low it was below the range where it would register an actual number reading. I would put dextrose in Terri's mouth to counteract it. This happened about five times on my shift as I recall. Normally Terri's blood sugar levels were very stable due to the uniformity of her diet through tube feeding. It is my belief that Michael injected Terri with Regular insulin, which is very fast acting.

12. The longer I was employed at Palm Gardens the more concerned I became about patient care, both relating to Terri Schiavo, for the reasons I've said, and other patients, too. There was an LPN named Carolyn Adams, known as "Andy" Adams who was a particular concern. An unusual number of patients seemed to die on her shift, but she was completely unconcerned, making statements such as "They are old - let them die." I couldn't believe her attitude or the fact that it didn't seem to attract any attention. She made many comments about Terri being a waste of money, that she should die. She said it was costing Michael a lot of money to keep her alive, and that he complained about it constantly (I heard him complain about it all the time, too.) Both Michael and Adams said that she would be worth more to him if she were dead. I ultimately called the police relative to this situation, and was terminated the next day. Other reasons were cited, but I was convinced it was because of my "rocking the boat."

13. Ms. Adams was one of the people who did not seem to be intimidated by Michael. In fact, they seemed to be very close, and Adams would do whatever Michael told her. Michael sometimes called Adams at night and spoke at length. I was not able to hear the content of these phone calls, but I knew it was him talking to her because she would tell me afterward and relay orders from him.

14. While at Palm Gardens, I became fearful for my personal safety. This was due to Michael's constant intimidation, including his menacing body language, vocal tone and mannerisms. 15. I have contacted the Schindler family because I just couldn't stand by and let Terri die without the truth being known. FURTHER AFFIANT SAYETH NAUGHT. CARLA SAUER IYER, R.N. The foregoing instrument was acknowledged before me this _____ day of September, 2003, by CARLA SAUER IYER, R.N., who produced her Florida driver's license as identification, and who did / did not take an oath. (Non-text portions of this message have been removed)

123 posted on 03/22/2005 10:22:24 AM PST by Hamilton2 (.)
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To: Ike
See link at post #67 to go to her affidavit.
124 posted on 03/22/2005 10:22:24 AM PST by cyncooper
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To: sola_fide

He explained that last night. Because he could not produce a videotape of a person in EXACTLY the same condition as Terri, the judge discounted his testimony.


125 posted on 03/22/2005 10:22:29 AM PST by EnquiringMind
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To: theophilusscribe

Thank you very much for posting that link---reading it only reinforced my thoughts that IF Michael ever loved Terri, he would just let her go home with her parents and get any therapy she can--

I, also, like some posters on this thread feel that even if she NEVER regains more speech, movement or anything, her life is STILL very much worth saving--she brings joy, and expresses joy---there are a lot of "normal" people that neither bring joy nor express joy! (john kerry, ted kennedy, carl levin, barney frank, hillbilly clinton, etc.)


126 posted on 03/22/2005 10:22:36 AM PST by Txsleuth (Mark Levin for Supreme Court Chief Justice!)
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To: pgkdan

Discredited ? he's recieved a nobel prize nomination for his exemplary work with people in these conditions!


127 posted on 03/22/2005 10:22:48 AM PST by ItsWar
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To: duckln

I remember,he lived 19 days.


128 posted on 03/22/2005 10:22:59 AM PST by Vapor3 (I will never be a Spanish)
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To: lonevoice

But doesn't Wolfson go on to say that Mrs. Schiavo was subjected to several (three?) modified Barium swallowing tests, the gold standard for such tests, and she failed?


129 posted on 03/22/2005 10:23:54 AM PST by sola_fide
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To: sola_fide; Coop; jwalsh07; Peach

Peach what's the STORY?


Terri Schindler's Brother Tells Pro-Lifers Euthanasia Advocates Promote Death

by Steven Ertelt
LifeNews.com Editor
July 3, 2004

Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- At its convention prayer breakfast, the National Right to Life Committee honored Terri Schiavo and her brother, Bobby Schindler, Jr., told a crowd of hundreds that pro-euthanasia groups are promoting death and are a threat to society.

"It wasn't until this experience with my sister that I saw this unrelenting determination to have her killed," Schindler said. "I never realized how insidious these death groups are."

Schindler said that, before the years-long legal battle to save Terri's life began, he thought only of abortion when it came to the movement to support death. His only thoughts of euthanasia were of Nazi Germany and the genocide that happened there.

"I never thought it could happen again - especially in this country," Schindler, a teacher at a Catholic school in Tampa, Florida, said.

Terri's brother told the crowd that groups promoting the so-called "right" to die have previously "stayed unnoticed from the public, preferring to work behind the scenes to advance their agenda."

However, with the media focus on Terri Schiavo increasing, they are out front and "doing everything they [can] in the media to represent her as a non person."

"We saw how powerful and how much these people have infiltrated the media… attacking [Florida Governor Jeb] Bush and anyone who is supporting life," he explained. "My sister has fallen victim to their agenda."

Bobby said the Terri Schiavo case has been labeled the "Roe v. Wade" of euthanasia. However, he was taken aback when advocates of euthanasia said Terri's case was one of only tens of thousands of similar situations across the country.

Schindler explained that Dr. William Hammesfahr, a Nobel prize nominated neurologist, examined Terri and said that, besides eating and drinking on her own, he believes Terri would be able to talk and have good use of one arm and one hand should be given proper rehabilitative treatment.

Hammesfahr also said he thought Terri would eventually be able to transfer herself from a wheelchair to a bed.

"There I no doctor on this planet that will ever convince me that Terri is unaware or that her responses are just reflexes," Bobby Schindler said. "It breaks my hart that we have to sit there and are not able to anything to help her."

However, Terri's estranged husband, Michael, who is living with another woman and already has two children with her, has denied Terri any rehabilitative care - even though he won a significant medical malpractice award that was supposed to be used to help Terri.

Despite the grim news that has accompanied the battle to save Terri's life, Bobby Schindler told pro-life advocates not to give up hope.

"We will someday change the laws on abortion and euthanasia and it starts by changing hearts," he said.


Related web sites:
Terri Schiavo's family - http://www.terrisfight.org


130 posted on 03/22/2005 10:24:07 AM PST by restornu (Dems Hegelian Agenda...1 Population Control 2 Create Fear Pain 3.Solution Abortion/ Euthanasia)
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To: Hamilton2

Thank you and let the record show I first linked to her affidavit back in post 67 although I did not cut and paste the entire thing over here.


131 posted on 03/22/2005 10:24:33 AM PST by cyncooper
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To: duckln

Maximilian Kolbe

http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/saintm01.htm

"Died
14 August 1941 by lethal carbonic acid injection after three weeks of starvation and dehydration at Auschwitz; body burned in the ovens and ashes scattered"


132 posted on 03/22/2005 10:24:51 AM PST by LibFreeOrDie ("We're led to believe it's painless, peaceful, - even humane" - Alan Shore ("Boston Public")
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To: jwalsh07
Yep, I spent twelve years trying to find out what I have. I can't tell you the number of neurologists who told me it was psychological. Just last month, I went back to the Mayo Clinic for a second time. I now know what I have because my sister got it as well.

Can't say as I have very high opinions of the "medical community" as a result.

133 posted on 03/22/2005 10:25:21 AM PST by housewife101
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To: since1868

I feel that way about a lot of people. :)


134 posted on 03/22/2005 10:25:24 AM PST by agrace
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To: ItsWar

That's what I thought! He also has spent 10 hours over 3 seperate visits with Terrie. It sounds to me like he's a lot more qualified to speak to her condition than anyone else I've heard.


135 posted on 03/22/2005 10:25:57 AM PST by pgkdan
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To: Freedom Dignity n Honor
She was learning to walk not long after the incident that made her this way..and she was eating and swallowing just fine until about 7 years ago when they put the feeding tube in to save the staff time in feeding her.

Okay, I hope you're right, but this is in direct conflict with the Wolfson report (see one of my earlier posts for a link). Do you know of physician or nurse who has testified to this fact besides Dr. Hammesfahr?

136 posted on 03/22/2005 10:26:05 AM PST by sola_fide
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To: restornu

Bump!!


137 posted on 03/22/2005 10:27:10 AM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: cyncooper

She said it was because she went to the cops. Which would make sense. If something came up about that medical facility to the cops-the facility could have been in big trouble. There are MANY nurses who back up this women's claims. The MSM has their own agenda in not allowing this info to be widely known.


138 posted on 03/22/2005 10:27:22 AM PST by housewife101
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To: housewife101
Please read carefully what was stated. I said:

I'd like to know what reasons she was given for why she was discharged.

I know she stated what her suspicions were for the "real reason" she was discharged, but she also says she was given other reasons and I am curious to know what those reasons were as they might further weigh in relation to her credibility.

139 posted on 03/22/2005 10:30:13 AM PST by cyncooper
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To: housewife101

BTW, aren't you bothered that she did not give the level of detail re the insulin charges in her affidavit that she gave on tv today?

I stated that if she is telling the truth I wish she had so stated to the court.


140 posted on 03/22/2005 10:31:33 AM PST by cyncooper
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