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Michael Schiavo to Bush: Come down to visit Terri
WorldNetDaily ^ | 3/21/05 | Sarah Foster

Posted on 03/21/2005 6:02:28 PM PST by wagglebee

Michael Schiavo, reportedly angered by the latest developments in Washington, has done an about-face in his longstanding position of not allowing visitors to meet his estranged wife, Terri, the brain-injured Florida woman whose right to live is at the heart of a cliff-hanging euthanasia battle.

According to the St. Petersburg Times, Schiavo invited both President Bush and his brother, Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, to visit Terri at the hospice where she is undergoing a court-ordered starvation death after her feeding tube was removed Friday.

"Come down, President Bush," Schiavo said in the Times interview Saturday. "Come talk to me. Meet my wife. Talk to my wife and see if you get an answer. Ask her to lift her arm to shake your hand. She won't do it.

She won't, because she can't, said Schiavo.

"Terri died 15 years ago," he said, referring to her collapse in 1990 that cut off oxygen to her brain, leaving her seriously brain injured and unable to talk.

A handful of physicians say she is in a persistent vegetative state -- that is, she may seem to be alert and awake, but the smiles and laughter she exhibits are simply reflex actions. Florida law permits removal of feeding tubes from patients who are PVS.

More than 40 physicians and therapists have weighed in on the side of Terri's parents, Robert and Mary Schindler, who maintain she is aware, though seriously impaired, and could improve with therapy.

Regarding his invitation to the president, Schiavo said he made a similar offer to Gov. Bush last week but has not had a reply.

Schiavo described U.S. House Majority Leader Bill Frist, who led the effort to extend Terri's life, as a "little slithering snake" pandering for votes.

"To make coments that Terri would want to live, how do they [members of Congress] know?" he asked.

"What color are her eyes?" he demanded. "What's her middle name? What's her favorite color? They don't have any clue who Terri is. They should all be ashamed of themselves."

Schiavo's invitations to the president and his brother represent an exception to his long-standing ban on visitors, which has kept Terri in near-total seclusion at the Woodside Hospice Facility in Pinellas Park, Fla. Only her parents and siblings are allowed ready access. All others, including her priest and the attorneys representing her parents, may visit only when accompanied by an immediate family member.

Nancy Valko, a critical care nurse in St. Louis activist on euthanasia and related pro-life issues, reacted with caution to Schiavo's invitation to the president and governor.

"Hopefully, Terri is not being sedated or is too debilitated now from the dehydration to be seen, but it doesn't look good if Michael is saying this," she commented. "Personally, I think the fear of having Terri seen by the authorities and/or public is what was behind the quick removal of feedings Friday. Otherwise, why has Michael refused to allow pictures or to allow Terri outside?"

Except when she is taken to a whirlpool bath, Terri never leaves her room -- not even to attend functions offered all other residents, such as sing-alongs and concerts. This past Christmas, when "Santa Claus" visited the hospice, her door was kept firmly shut to prevent the jolly gentleman from catching a glimpse of her, and she of him. Carolers, too, were barred.

Even Judge George Greer, who has presided over the contentious case since September 1999, has not met Terri, having been persuaded by Schiavo's attorney, "right-to-die" advocate George Felos, not to visit her at the nursing home where she then was living.

On January 10, 2000 - just days before the trial that sealed Terri's fate was scheduled to begin - attorney Pamela Campbell, who represented Terri's parents, formally asked Greer if he would visit the disabled woman so he could see for himself how alert she is.

At a hearing on the matter, Felos argued that since both parties had agreed Terri was in a persistent vegetative state, to observe the patient was futile and unnecessary.

The judge accepted Felos' arguments, rejecting the opportunity to see for himself the woman whose life was in his hands.

The ban on visitation, which Schiavo defends as a necessary protection of his wife's privacy, came after a short video was played to the court during the 2000 trial, showing Terri alert and interacting with her parents.

The video, played at the trial over the objections of Felos, later was released to the public and run on a local TV channel.

Upon seeing the tape on TV, three physicians contacted the Schindlers offering to help.

Robert Schindler took each doctor in turn to the nursing home to meet his daughter. They were there long enough to see she was not in a persistent vegetative state, Schindler said, and they signed separate affidavits to that effect.

They also asked to be allowed to intervene in the case, but Greer rejected their requests and granted a motion by Felos for a no-visitation policy. Aside from nurses and her attending physician, the three doctors were the last professionals to have any contact with Terri for more than two years.

Other physicians in 2001 stated they believe Terri Schiavo is not PVS, but have been limited to basing their opinion on observing videotapes.

This holds for the 33 physicians who recently signed affidavits stating she is minimally conscious "or better," as opposed to being PVS.

Terri's eyes are brown

In his interview with the St. Petersburg Times, Schiavo took particular umbrage at no one knowing what color his estranged wife's eyes are. They are brown.

But a neurologist personally selected by Schiavo and Felos to examine Terri prior to a medical hearing was unable to recall that particular fact on the witness stand.

In Oct. 2002, following a series of legal maneuvers by the Schindlers, the Second District Court of Appeal ordered a medical evidentiary hearing to determine whether Terri is, in fact, in a persistent vegetative state, and if she is, what treatments might help her.

Dr. Melvin Greer, chairman of the University of Florida's College of Medicine in Gainsville, was one of two physicians chosen by Felos to examine her.

After performing a few bedside procedures to test her vision and hearing and general reflexes, Dr. Greer diagnosed Terri to be in a persistent vegetative state, for which there was no treatment. To test what he actually remembered about her, attorney Pat Anderson, representing the Schindlers, asked Dr. Greer what color Terri's eyes are.

"I don't know," he declared simply.

"She has huge brown eyes," Anderson told Judge Greer in her closing remarks.

"If you remember nothing else about her, you remember that."

When questioned by Anderson, Dr. Greer admitted he had not read a certain, major article in a British medical journal reporting a 43 percent error rate in PVS diagnoses over a five-year period.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: cultureofdeath; georgewbush; indict; indict4insulinstory; indict4nursestory; indictmichaelnow; indictonpolicereport; indictshiavo; jebbush; michaelschiavo; prolife; righttolife; schiavo; terri; terrischiavo
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To: Salamander; All

I posted the following on a different thread!


I have to relate a story that could have ended similar!

A couple of years ago one of my coworkers,a young man of 19 years was badly beaten by some thugs.

He had severe head trauma and other severe injuries.The doctors didn't think he would pull through and if he did he wouldn't be the same.His will to live was very strong and he pulled through,but there for a while his parents were thinking about letting him die.He was hooked up to a breathing machine and feeding tubes,but in the end they could not go through with it and he is here to tell the tail.

He had to go through extensive therapy and after six month he came back to work.

If the parents would have listened to the doctors he wouldn't be here.

His speech is a little slurred and he is a little slower than before the beating and he walks with a limp,but he is still able to hold his own.

He could have wound up like Terri ,if his parents hadn't done everything in their power to see to it that he got adequate medical care and therapy.

I am telling you all this story,because it shows that despite what the nay sayers claim there is a chance that Terri could be better, if only she would have gotten the care and therapy she needs!

I pray that Terri still will have the chance to proof to these unbelievers that she is not a vegetable,like they claim!


301 posted on 03/22/2005 11:04:04 AM PST by Mrs.Nooseman
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To: Salamander
1. Electrical activity does not equal consciousness. It does equal anima.
2. Yeah, I'm sure it must be pretty nasty re: head smashed in/frontal lobe to hamburger. How much longer will your rehab continue, you seem to be doing pretty well.
3. I don't endorse spousal abuse on either side. I don't support casting aspersions on the guilt or innocence of an individual without full fact but why investigate when you can fabricate. It's real white of you to be willing repent your sins that don't impact your life at all.
302 posted on 03/22/2005 3:19:24 PM PST by olde north church (F ptrtsm b th lst rfg f scndrl thn scndrl nm m. I wld prdl b thght scndrl 2 m lst dy thn cwrd 4 1)
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To: olde north church
Anima:
Main Entry: an·i·ma
Pronunciation: 'a-n&-m&
Function: noun
Etymology: New Latin, from Latin, soul
: an individual's true inner self that in the analytic psychology of C. G. Jung reflects archetypal ideals of conduct; also : an inner feminine part of the male personality



PET scans show the soul?
Wow.
Technology has advanced even further than I thought.


I had no "rehab".
I am doing great, thanks to God and my own will and desire to "rehab" myself.

It's "real white of you" [fascinating choice of idiom, that...very revealing] to presume the state of my soul, vis a vis the Schiavo travesty.


I added the "repent" bit to state that *I* would allow for and duly admit my mistake in judgment, should there be any.

You, however, seem to to have already adjudicated the case to the benefit of Michael with no allowance of error on your part.

You are in error that this doesn't "impact my life at all".
If not for a miraculous turnabout, I could have been Terri.
This will impact us -all- in the long run.

Some are cursed with foresight.
They are those who understand the import of what is happening right -now-.

And FYI, the PET scans do show which parts of the brain have electrical activity and and each of those parts correspond to a particular function, therefore, a PET *could* conceivably show how *much* and *which* of her higher functions remain and would therefore also, by scientific theory, show whether/how much therapy could conceivably improve her lot in life.

Of course, that depends on how accurate the "parts" theory really is because I'm living proof that -other- areas of the brain can and do assume the roles and functions of damaged areas.

Investigation vs "fabrication" is a moot point, now.
It seems very likely that the world's longest possible act of murder is about to succeed.

And Schiavo will never be "investigated".

So, you stick to your side and I'll stick to mine.
303 posted on 03/22/2005 4:03:00 PM PST by Salamander
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To: Mrs.Nooseman

In even the darkest depths of abysmal despair, the human soul will crawl towards the tiniest flicker of hope.

Here's to all those who kept the candle burning as a beacon to guide their loved ones home.


304 posted on 03/22/2005 4:08:41 PM PST by Salamander
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To: Salamander
I know what the PET scan indicates, activity in repsonse to stimuli in specific areas of the brain. In a way, a guess the soul. I couldn't tell you where my electrical activity, I know that's EEG and EMG.
Wow, a Jungian. Odd here.
"Real White", less revealing than you think. Just a local vernacularism.
You and I are travelling in the same boat but our costs have been different.
People presume to know what my opinion is in this matter or how I arrived there.
305 posted on 03/22/2005 5:07:07 PM PST by olde north church (F ptrtsm b th lst rfg f scndrl thn scndrl nm m. I wld prdl b thght scndrl 2 m lst dy thn cwrd 4 1)
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To: SendShaqtoIraq
In sickness and in health, keeping yourself ONLY unto her... If he can't control his d*** all he has to do is divorce her.

That is irrational, we know that more than 50% of married men have affairs, and more than 35% of married women also do the same. If you are puritanical, and you live like a saint, that is good, but, Jesus asked us not to judge others.

306 posted on 03/22/2005 5:22:56 PM PST by conservlib
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To: anniegetyourgun
The only motivation appears to be the money at stake.

Brainiac, every body knows that he refused to take the million dollars offer, so where is the money here?

307 posted on 03/22/2005 5:25:39 PM PST by conservlib
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To: wagglebee

Is Dr. Greer related to Judge Greer?


308 posted on 03/22/2005 5:29:38 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: olde north church

Well, regardless, I have no hard feelings towards you.

Jung was a genius at mythopæic/archetypal symbolism.
He found a spiritual/psychological unity in nearly everything.
There was an almost "quantum reality" quality to his work.

I think of him as less of a psychologist than a "shaman", of sorts.

[but then I would since I'm a big fan of atavism]...:))


309 posted on 03/22/2005 5:37:19 PM PST by Salamander (I saw Satan laughing with delight the day that Terri died....)
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To: Salamander

Oh, no, there goes Tokyo!


310 posted on 03/22/2005 5:41:17 PM PST by olde north church (F ptrtsm b th lst rfg f scndrl thn scndrl nm m. I wld prdl b thght scndrl 2 m lst dy thn cwrd 4 1)
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To: conservlib

Her settlement money.


311 posted on 03/22/2005 5:46:45 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

I still do not understand why someone who cares for Terri cannot sue for divirce on her behalf so care will revert back to her parents.

Is this how the state is going to wipe out disabled "non-roductive" people, by letting their spouses take them out so as not to be "burdened"?

Well, it will work in 80% of the cases since the "undying love" in a couple is a "diamond" among humans - rare indeed. Most humans are ignorant, selfish, and vain. That why we have law.


312 posted on 03/22/2005 5:53:25 PM PST by SURI
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To: Salamander

Me too. I verify exactly what you said. The "knock out" only becomes known to you as you wake up from it.

It's a great way to end a fight.


313 posted on 03/22/2005 5:55:13 PM PST by SURI
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To: olde north church

LOL!

Been to the ol' home page, eh?


[you are too clever by half]...;)


314 posted on 03/22/2005 5:55:38 PM PST by Salamander (I saw Satan laughing with delight the day that Terri died....)
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To: SURI

Yeah, sure...if you're on the *other* end of it...:))


315 posted on 03/22/2005 5:57:48 PM PST by Salamander (I saw Satan laughing with delight the day that Terri died....)
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To: Salamander

Once you have experienced this move on the "recieveing" end, you can therafter place it on anyone else before they can react to it, and you'll never let anyone come close to getting it on you again, beleive me.

I don't think it is shown unless the teacher has some confidence in the students ethics.


316 posted on 03/22/2005 6:01:07 PM PST by SURI
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To: conservlib

Actually, I guess it would be more accurate to say the money (which continues to grow) which is in trust for her care.


317 posted on 03/22/2005 6:01:43 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Salamander

may I send you a quick pm?


318 posted on 03/22/2005 6:03:38 PM PST by olde north church (F ptrtsm b th lst rfg f scndrl thn scndrl nm m. I wld prdl b thght scndrl 2 m lst dy thn cwrd 4 1)
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To: anniegetyourgun

I'm hearing discrepant stories, one which is that Mikey peed away virtually the whole fund on lawyers to kill Terri, and another that he has a stash somewhere. Usually the one I hear is that the money is gone. However I would assume his property (house, cars, etc.) are paid for, so there's some dough.


319 posted on 03/22/2005 6:03:42 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: anniegetyourgun

How much money is there in the trust fund, and why was it awarded?


320 posted on 03/22/2005 6:03:44 PM PST by Eva
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