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Fred Barnes: The Bush Factor (What the president has done for his party)
The Weekly Standard ^ | March 28, 2005 | Fred Barnes

Posted on 03/21/2005 1:42:58 PM PST by RWR8189

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To: David Noles

"Amen , finally a real republican around here speaks."

Please, after 30 years of being a registered republican I can proudly say that I am no longer a republican. I am now a conservative independent. My 2004 vote was not wasted on a leftest RINO by the name of Bush. No party punch for me.


41 posted on 03/21/2005 4:35:40 PM PST by politicalwit (Republican and Democrats are across the aisle but sleep in the same bed.)
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To: David Noles

"Then where is the success?"

It's not a finished work, but I'd say killing the Islamic extremists that are actively trying to kill all westerners has been very successful so far. We've got a long way to go but at least they're preoccupied in Iraq and haven't had any successful hits in the US since 9/11.


42 posted on 03/21/2005 4:35:43 PM PST by lotusblos
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To: David Noles
"The Bush war on Iraq and terrorism has caused a major inbalance in world power unseed since WW1."

You need to seed some more facts about the state of the world. The very reason those terrorists were acceptable in their countries was die to the lack of responsive governments; Bush is changing that.

You need to stop taking the Dem talking points as Bible and talk to people who've actually been there, and read a variety of materials.

43 posted on 03/21/2005 4:36:00 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (Agnostic for life)
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To: David Noles
Once again, I don't hear anything from anyone except talking points.

And your own moaning sounds like the dem talking points.

44 posted on 03/21/2005 4:38:14 PM PST by Carolinamom
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To: David Noles
"I am a Reagan conservative , been posting here off and on for years. Once again , I don't hear anything from anyone except talking points."

What have you been posting if not Democrat talking points with zero backing? You're making assertions with nothing behind them--aka Talking Points.

"The War in Afghanistan handled the terrorist and sent the proper warning without upsetting the balance of power in the world. The war in Iraq has sent us down a slippery slope."

You want talking points? How about "balance of power" and "slippery slope"?

You seem to think that just rapping the Taliban on the knuckles in Afghanistan would solve everything without upsetting the "balance of power" (WHOSE balance of power? Which nations are involved?).

Yet Al Qaeda has been active throughout the world--you know this. I guess if we merely knocked out the Taliban in Afghanistan, there would have been no more attacks in, say, Spain, or on hotels with Australians? On what do you base this?

Enough with the talking points, let's see your facts.

45 posted on 03/21/2005 4:40:12 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (Agnostic for life)
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To: David Noles
All you're doing is spouting rhetoric. Stop making assertions--show us your evidence. No one gives a damn who you voted for--credentials mean nothing on a message board; tell us what you THINK, enough with the rhetoric, which adds nothing to the discussion.

What makes you think that taking care of business in Afghanistan was all that needed to be done, when AQ receives financing and support from throughout the world?

46 posted on 03/21/2005 4:42:07 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (Agnostic for life)
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To: David Noles

You sure sound like a DUMBOCRAP to me.


47 posted on 03/21/2005 4:52:53 PM PST by Patriotic Bostonian
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To: Darkwolf377
I have to agree that Bush has undermined the balance of power in the world.

The power is shifting away from the terrorists, the dictators, the America haters, and the appeasers, and is shifting toward us.

That is not a BAD thing...unless you are an appeaser, a terrorist, a dictator, or an America hater.

A balance of power with evil should not be our goal. Slavery over half the world is not acceptable, and certainly not in our best interests. We have seen the results of appeasement in World War II and the 9/11 attacks. We are now seeing the results of action.

Time will tell what the ultimate result is, but the early returns look promising to me.
48 posted on 03/21/2005 4:53:13 PM PST by EvilOverlord (America....a shining city on a hill...freedom burning bright)
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To: Darkwolf377
What makes you think that taking care of business in Afghanistan was all that needed to be done, when AQ receives financing and support from throughout the world?

BECAUSE WE TOOK AN ENTIRE COUNTRY OUT. ALL WE HAD TO DO IS DRAW A LINE AND SAY THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT HAPPENS TO TERRORIST , KEEP 40,000 TROOPS TO BE OUR BIG STICK THAT THEODORE ROOSEVLET LOVED. THEN HUNTED TERRORIST DOWN AS WE HAVE. CHINA , RUSSIA WOULD NOT BE COMPELLED TO ARM UP. RUSSIA WOULDN'T NEED TO ARM UP THE MIDDLE EAST AT IT'S FASTEST PACE SINCE THE COLD WAR. WE WOULD STILL HAVE FRIENDS. BY THE WAY , THE FBI RECENTLY SAID THAT THE THREAT FROM AQ HAS BEEN OVERSTATED.


49 posted on 03/21/2005 4:53:46 PM PST by David Noles
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To: David Noles
I have to agree that Bush has undermined the balance of power in the world. The power is shifting away from the terrorists, the dictators, the America haters, and the appeasers, and is shifting toward us. That is not a BAD thing...unless you are an appeaser, a terrorist, a dictator, or an America hater. A balance of power with evil should not be our goal. Slavery over half the world is not acceptable, and certainly not in our best interests. We have seen the results of appeasement in World War II and the 9/11 attacks. We are now seeing the results of action. Time will tell what the ultimate result is, but the early returns look promising to me.

YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND. THE BALANCE OF POWER SHIFTED TO US BUT THIS WAS TEMPERARY. IN ORDER TO BALANCE US , RUSSIA IS ARMING THE MIDDLE EAST , RUSSIA AND CHINA ARE ARMING US AS WELL. A GLOBAL ARMS RACE IS BAD , MORE SO WHEN IT IS DONE IN ANTICIPATION OF HAVING TO GO TO WAR.


50 posted on 03/21/2005 4:56:19 PM PST by David Noles
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To: David Noles

You and I share Reagan as hero. Reagan put a global arms race into overdrive during his two terms. It did wonders for the world.

China and Russia have weak economies to match us.

Why don't you develop some Reagan optimism?


51 posted on 03/21/2005 5:03:12 PM PST by Vision Thing (The Surgeon General has determined that being Democrat is bad for your health.)
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To: David Noles
You folks are talking point heads unable to see the forest for the trees...

Take a good hard look in the mirror. The following statements, made by you in post #18 , are nothing but old, old Democratic Party talking points.


52 posted on 03/21/2005 5:04:40 PM PST by delacoert (imperat animus corpori, et paretur statim: imperat animus sibi, et resistitur. -AUGUSTINI)
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To: David Noles
Knock off the freakin caps, will you?

Dude, Teddy Roosevely hasn't been president in nearly 100 years. Your position is laughable--why would we station people in Afghanistan when we could get THEM to do the fighting and we don't have to station 40,000 people there to be a big stick when we've already SOLVED the problem?

As for the "biggest arms race since the Cold War," you've still not provided an ounce of information that the Russians just suddenly up and started this new arms race. And if we had a "big stick" in Afghanistan, are you saying THAT wouldn't have started an arms race? Oh, our enemies would simply NOT arm themselves?

BTW, if AQ is no threat, why would we need a big stick? And when would we use this big stick, when our ships have been bombed? I guess in that case we should do nothing if that happens--oh, wait, we DID that with the Cole--yeah, ignoring that sure prevented any terror attacks.

No--we should only attack in case the WTC was bombed--hmm, seems we did that, and that sure didn't prevent 9-11, now did it?

I guess we should have asked some in the region to hand over UBL--oh, wait, they OFFERED that three times, and boy Clinton refused him, so that didn't quote work out.

We've had a "big stick" in the Middle East and Asia for decades--didn't you know that? Just HAVING it didn't stop 9-11, now did it?

Is that all you've got?

53 posted on 03/21/2005 5:07:13 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (Agnostic for life)
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To: EvilOverlord
Good points.

Appeasement doesn't work. You'd think our CAPLOCKED friend would get that, but he doesn't. I guess blowing something up whenever another 9-11 happened is more to his liking. THAT, of course, wouldn't get our enemies mad at us--they'd see the balance of power...or something...and the Big Stick...or whatever...and they'd say "Hey, it's OK with us, guys, we won't buy weapons because...well, because."

This "Russia is arming our enemies" thing is bizarre, as is the AQ not being a threat. I don't know where he's getting his talking points from, but they're way out of date.

54 posted on 03/21/2005 5:10:04 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (Agnostic for life)
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To: RWR8189
Either his campaigning or his coattails were critical to Senate victories for Saxby Chambliss in Georgia, Mel Martinez in Florida, and David Vitter in Louisiana.

I don't know about the others, but Saxby won because Max Cleland finally outed himself as a leftist creep. Bush may have helped to a degree, but that race was Saxby's to lose.

55 posted on 03/21/2005 5:10:26 PM PST by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: David Noles

Dream on.


56 posted on 03/21/2005 5:17:44 PM PST by cubreporter (I trust and admire Rush. He has done more for this country than he will ever know. God bless him.)
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To: David Noles
and when history looks back it will show he only won reelection because the democrats ran bozo the hippy vietnam protester clown.

Agreed. Republican success can be summed up simply .... Republican success emerged when the Democrat Party became stupider than the stupid party.

Christendom died first, it took a little longer for the proud constitutional republic.

What a tragic day for the republic when Reagan acquiesced to the country club, Wall Street wing of the party.

57 posted on 03/21/2005 5:18:07 PM PST by iconoclast (Better to take refuge in the Lord than to put one's trust in princes. (Psalms 118:9).)
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To: jveritas

You are right. 100% right and all the idiots on the left willbe proven to have been less than George W. Bush. They are JEALOUS, JEALOUS, JEALOUS of this man's success. Plain and simple...they rear the ugly green monster at every turn and they are too stupid to realize it for what it is.


58 posted on 03/21/2005 5:19:04 PM PST by cubreporter (I trust and admire Rush. He has done more for this country than he will ever know. God bless him.)
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To: Darkwolf377

I dont need a perfect conservative but i would at least like to have a conservative. I see Bush as a liberal. Who but a liberal would spend hundreds of billions of taxpayer money on international welfare? So what if Bush is "socially conservative." Im more of a social libertarian (more of not completely) i just want my taxes to be as little as possible and spent properly.


59 posted on 03/21/2005 5:20:32 PM PST by CaptainAwesome2
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To: CaptainAwesome2

Then stick to your pie in the sky and don't vote and sit happy that your inaction has resulted in HRC becoming president, who cares? No one, that's who. Enjoy yourself.


60 posted on 03/21/2005 5:23:09 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (Agnostic for life)
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