Posted on 03/21/2005 7:50:03 AM PST by Pendragon_6
Lets see, first Michael Schiavo beats and strangles his wife Terri, leaves her lying unconscious on the floor until her family arrives to get her to the hospital.
Then Michael Schiavo sues the hospital for $20 million because he needs the money to get his poor wife therapy.
Then Michael Schiavo pockets the money, denies his wife the care he said she needed and finally, claims she really wants to die.
Michael Schiavo killed his wife Terri's cat, melted down her wedding ring and then took up with his girlfriend and lives with her today with their children. Does this sound like a loving husband who really cares about his wife's wishes?
And what do we get on the tube every hour on the hour: “persistent vegetative state” as though any of the talking heads who ghoulishly proclaim Terri's life isn't worth that of a convicted serial killer sitting on death row (for 20 years, while due process goes on).
Michael Schiavo's supporters claim he loved his wife Terri enough to take a nursing degree so that he could take care of her. I think he got that nursing degree so he could inject her with insulin and hasten her death and his complete claim to all the money he won in litigation.
Just take a gander at the sworn testimony of an attending nurse: Carla Sauer Iyer (affidavit* below) but let me save you some time and report a quote of Michael Schiavo's after visiting his still living wife: "When is that bitch gonna die?"
Hmmm. Loving husband or man so afraid of not only not getting the money (what's left of the $20 million) but the prospect of facing a jury for his attempted murder, a charge which is possible as long as Terri lives. Sounds like motive to me.
Michael Schiavo says Terri said she never wanted to be kept alive on machines. Okay. Even if that was her statement (which there is absolutely no corroborating testimony and quite the unusual statement coming from a young, newly married woman still in her twenties and full of life); Terri is not being kept alive by machines!
Terri has a feeding tube from which she gets food and water. Had she had the care and therapy she was entitled to, there is every chance today Terri would be divorced from that louse and feeding herself just fine.
About that “loving husband” crapola: what husband do you know evinces his marital fidelity and love by living with another woman, having children with that woman and dumps his wife in a hospice while waiting for her to die? What loving husband kills his sick wife's pet? What loving husband denies his wife's family visitation?
I ask these questions because the media morons are still stuck with their new term: “persistent vegetative state” and are oblivious to the actual facts of this tragic case.
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The bishop in question is responsible before God to commence the proceedings necessary to excommunicate Michael Schiavo unless he repents.
We know this... how? After all, we know that 120,000 people die every year from the infallibility of doctors. We have at least one Freeper who is supposed to be a vegetable (according to the doctors who examined) with no hope of recovery. I'd say that Freeper's typed comments show at least some degree cognitive ability, yes? For every 'expert' there is one who will contradict. That is why they are called medical opinions, not medical facts.
Does Terri have any power of reason, or really any chance of regaining it? No. That is not in dispute. Could she have some quality of life with proper therapy? Maybe. But what is really in dispute here is whether she would wish to commit suicide if faced with that choice. All we have is the word of her husband, that many would consider suspect, that she would. What we are saying is that is not enough. She is not his property. What possibly could be the harm of divorcing her and allowing her parents taking over her care? Those questions have not been answered to any degree of satisfaction, by any court ruling.
Lastly, Mike Schiavo took up with his current girlfriend 6 or 7 years ago but there were others before her. Evidently, he doesn't consider his vows to be binding when they become inconvienient. It isn't admissible in the court of law, but it is in the court of public opinion.
No, you're on the money here. The good Christians out there would have her lying in her body wastes and rotting in a bed to save that life!
Of course. Either I'm stupid for swimming against the tide; have a masochist complex for abuse or simply not afraid to speak the truth.
Take your pick.
Many here have sat on a jury. Even Federal cases.
I would guess a faithful Catholic would choose not to commit divorce or adultery, but I'm not a Catholic, and I don't know how they do it on their side of the house. Maybe Catholics are allowed to sin so long as they're committing a lesser sin in lieu of a greater sin? God might be open to making deals like that. I mean, He can't really expect us to uphold all those rules and regulations, right? Saying you belong to a religion and following the convenient rules surely protects one from criticism with an aegis of piety.
Maybe in the 20 years he sits on death row, some physical evidence may indeed be found, or more of Terri's remains may appear (though doubtful)with forensic evidence, or new technological advances will be able to detect this evidence on the Laci/Conner's bodies (after an exhumation).
I would be very surprised if any exculpatory evidence comes forward in the next twenty years, however.
I won't try to convince you the death penalty is ok in Scott's case.
I will however leave with my satisfaction expressed that he is going to get it.
Yes, I understand the NOK argument, based on the fact the two were legally married at some point in the past. The question is: at what point is that marriage abrograted by the behavior of the husband? Doesn't siring two children with his current common-law wife raise some legal uestions too? Doesn't his relationship border on bigamy, which is a crime?
I would need proof of this instead of just a claim without evidence (and Lord knows there's a lot of that going around right now). I've read areport from one of the court-appointed guardians who said Terri was and have always been incapable of swallowing.
If she died the moment she collapsed why was there no funeral or burial and why has her corpse been propped up in hospital and hospice beds all these years, and why are they still trying to kill a corpse? Well, you admit that "her body is still alive." How then do you know that "her personality", "her essense" was lost? How could you possibly know what her de se state of being is? And what is your theological or philosophical basis for the notion that a soul can be separated or lost from a living human body?
What this means to me is it is perfectly acceptable for Michael to have sexual relations with other women
Well, it may be acceptable to you, but it is fornication at minimum, which is immoral.
Cordially,
Maybe he is sticking up for what she told him when she was herself.
Were you living with them and heard her state, "Michael, if I veg out, keep me alive by whatever means available?"
Or did she state, "Michael, if I veg out, DO NOT keep me alive?"
Just because he has another woman (we're all human after all) he may still love her and wants to spare her lying in a bed for another 20 or so years.
But then again, maybe YOU know what michael is thinking huh?
No doubt her parents love her but their denial of her condition isn't healthy.
Why thank you for your kind words.
Too bad the Admin Moderator keeps pulling my threads when I talk about this. AFAIK, no leftist has ever got the same censorship.
Yeah right.
I pray that none of them ever sit on mine if I ever get busted.
Emotional train wrecks.
"Your Honor, we find him guilty because we don't like the way he looks!"
"They ravers here want to start deciding law based on emotions."
First, you should, as a newbie (like me), be careful about calling fellow FReepers 'ravers'. Secondly WE want to decide 'questions of law' based on ALL the available facts, not just the facts of the 'COURT APPOINTED' information gatherers.
So, since you haven't been given ALL the available facts, how is it that you feel so 'god-givenly' righteous about your puerile 'preliminary' determinations in this 'question of law?'
You might want to ask a knowledgable Catholic, but no it isn't. Remarriage after divorce might be, but divorce per se is not.
Cordially,
There is no such thing as common law divorce. One spouse must sue for divorce. Florida, IIRC, has no common law marriage, and even if it did, you can't enter into a common law marriage if you are already married. There is no such thing as common law bigamy.
LOL!
Yeah, this thread is getting old. Too many raving nut jobs who can't grasp the fact that State Law has been satisfied but hey, let's get the Feds involved!
The:
1. He has another wife!!!!!!!!!!
2. He is after more money!!!!
3. Her poor poor parents have no agenda but only a parent's love......
crowd are boring me.
Take care.
From an op-ed in today's WSJ by James Q. Wilson, "Killing Terri."
But scholars have shown that we have greatly exaggerated the benefits of living wills. Studies by University of Michigan Professor Carl Schneider and others have shown that living wills rarely make any difference. People with them are likely to get exactly the same treatment as people without them, possibly because doctors and family members ignore the wills. And ignoring them is often the right thing to do because it is virtually impossible to write a living will that anticipates and makes decisions about all the many, complicated, and hard to foresee illnesses you may face.
So, what would you like to do about it? make fornification a crime? A panel of doctors two picked by Mr. Schivo, two picked by her parents and one picked by the court agrees that she is in a vegetative state. 19 judges, I mean, what do you want to do with the other Terri Schivos in this country? Feeding tubes and such are removed from people everyday in hosptials. What I am saying is, this is the wrong case to be hanging on. We need to focus on educating people on partial birth abortions and abortions going on in this country. People think we conservatives are crazy nuts over this.
Beeline,
My first son did not have any lung tissue and would not develop it ex-utero (if that is the correct term). It was just a matter of time before he would have been brain dead, since he was no longer connected to his mom via the umbilical. Like you, there were no alternatives, barring a miracle.
In my second son's case, there was a chance of survival, but he faced underdeveloped lungs, immune system, an e-coli infection,and the potential for CP. The odds were not in his favor, which is why I baptized him as soon as he was born. The chances were less than 50%, but I, like you, would've done the same if the chances were even 1%.
Here's where our views may part ways. You state that the part of the brain that makes her who she is, is gone. That may be, but from everything I read, she is much more than a breathing automaton and there is substantial conflict among doctors who have examined her as to her mental state. To me, tha constitutes a life of some sort. If she, as has been reported in the MSM, is able to vocalize and recognize people, then she is not in PVS. She might not get better, but with appropriate medical care and rehab, she might. I just couldn't stand by as her parent and see her not given that chance (1% or less). Finally, I see it as God's job to determine the time of death, not man's.
As far as my son, he is a healthy, happy and active 6 year old who has no vestiges of his early trials. While it has been six years, I'm still amazed at the depth of feeling this memory brings to the surface. My son is a blessing to all who know him. We are regularly told that he's one of those people that other people just love, and aren't really sure why. He's a special kid. God also blessed us with a little girl (now 3). I am blessed by my children and look forward to being reunited with my first son in eternity. Thank you for your blessing. May God bless and keep you as well.
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