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Terri Schiavo's family have been denied all visitation per Terri's sister

Posted on 03/20/2005 12:29:52 PM PST by kcvl

Per Fox News...


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KEYWORDS: cultureofdeath; parentsrights; schiavo; terri; terrischavio; terrischiavo; terrisfight
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To: BigSkyFreeper
It [Michael's testimony] sure as hell seems to be at issue here on FR by those who want to accuse him of everything short of being a Nazi sympathizer or worse.

Well, of course his testimony is an issue, in general. The object of my recent posting was to illuminate the fact that the veracity of Michael's testimony was not before SCOTUS.

From my point of view, this case is not about Michael. It is about Terri, and the line the law draws for sufficiency of evidence when the patient is unable to communicate in combination with the line regarding "assistance" for keeping alive. Most people consider food, clothing and shelter as given. Obviously the law in Florida is that food is not a given.

681 posted on 03/20/2005 4:44:32 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: Howlin
So that is a LEGAL RULING that bulimia in fact caused her cardiac arrest.

To hell with science, we took a VOTE.

682 posted on 03/20/2005 4:44:36 PM PST by AmishDude (The Clown Prince-in-a-can of Free Republic!)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

Who cares how she lived?


683 posted on 03/20/2005 4:45:21 PM PST by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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To: TightyRighty
I think the reason they (and others on these threads) accuse him of causing her injuries is because if they don't have someone to blame they have to come to grips with the fact that Terri is in the situation she is in because of the choices she made.

BINGO! She didn't like the fact that she may have been overweight, so she made the choice of going on a steady diet of 10-15 glasses of iced tea a day.

684 posted on 03/20/2005 4:45:26 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (You have a //cuckoo// God given right //Yeeeahrgh!!// to be an //Hello?// atheist)
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To: AmishDude

I'd have to see what was submitted to the USSC... but Greer seemed to think that his sworn testimony was credible. I'm not going to call the guy a liar without sufficient evidence to support it.

I think this whole situation just stinks and think the tubes should remain. But if a court decides otherwise, I may not like it but I have to abide by it.


685 posted on 03/20/2005 4:45:56 PM PST by marajade
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To: american colleen
She may have been bulimic, she may not have been bulimic.

The most you post, the more positive I am that you know nothing of the law.

The jury is the FINDER OF FACT; and they found from the preponderance of evidence that she WAS bullimic.

BTW, the OJ analogy is a low point in your posts.

686 posted on 03/20/2005 4:46:06 PM PST by Howlin
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To: 2nd amendment mama
You also can not remove the feeding tube, to starve someone to death, on someone who doesn't have one. Let us remember these people( Lawyer and hubby) have a history of removing feeding tubes.The nurses testify that Terri didn't need a tube.
687 posted on 03/20/2005 4:46:42 PM PST by Diva Betsy Ross (Code pink stinks!)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

"BINGO! She didn't like the fact that she may have been overweight, so she made the choice of going on a steady diet of 10-15 glasses of iced tea a day."


THAT is NOT accurate either -- more disinformation. In some medical record it said that she did that and lost a lot of weight, SEVERAL YEARS PRIOR to "the incident".


688 posted on 03/20/2005 4:47:08 PM PST by FairOpinion (http://www.helpterri.com)
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To: ContraryMary
It wasn't a single witness.

I must have missed this. She must have had very serious views on euthanasia, telling everyone under the sun that she wanted to die ASAP. For someone who never wrote anything down, that is.

689 posted on 03/20/2005 4:47:29 PM PST by AmishDude (The Clown Prince-in-a-can of Free Republic!)
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To: Hildy
NOBODY IN HISTORY HAS EVERY RECOVERED FROM A PVS.

I beg to disagree with you! Recovered “Vegetative State” Patient Kate Adamson Speaks Before Schiavo Rally

690 posted on 03/20/2005 4:47:41 PM PST by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org • Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: marajade
Why is that? [That SCOTUS does not consider the veracity of Michale Schiavo's testimony]

I confess to not having the question of law in front of me, but it is a general principle of law that appelate venues do not question findings of fact by lower courts.

691 posted on 03/20/2005 4:47:55 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: windchime
It was his boss's attorney (don't know why an attorney turned up so early in this situation) that suggested and followed through on Michael being Terri's guardian

You must know that in situations like that the husband would be the guardian, don't you? Or you trying to make something sinister out of that, too?

692 posted on 03/20/2005 4:48:49 PM PST by Howlin
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To: marajade

You believe a man who started dating a year after her accident, yet claimed he would never forsake his marriage vows in court testimony?

I can't prove he was lying. But, you can't prove he was telling the truth.

And his behavior is evidence of a BAD character and puts into doubt his testimony.

Can't you see that?


693 posted on 03/20/2005 4:49:02 PM PST by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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To: Cboldt

Okay. What's your point?


694 posted on 03/20/2005 4:50:16 PM PST by marajade
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To: ContraryMary

Yeah, we also have two of Michael's relatives who could have gained from Michael's financial upturn.


695 posted on 03/20/2005 4:50:21 PM PST by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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To: marajade; Torie
I'm not going to call the guy a liar without sufficient evidence to support it.

I'm not either. I just say he's in a circumstance that his testimony cannot be held up on its own.

But if a court decides otherwise, I may not like it but I have to abide by it.

Judges/lawyers are idiots (no 'fense, Tormeister!) otherwise they would have passed math and not had to settle for the law.

696 posted on 03/20/2005 4:50:27 PM PST by AmishDude (The Clown Prince-in-a-can of Free Republic!)
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To: rwfromkansas

I don't have to prove he was telling the truth. A court believed him.


697 posted on 03/20/2005 4:51:01 PM PST by marajade
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To: windchime; Peach

Peach said Michael left another career and went into nursing to help Terri. I asked what was his former career was as I couldn't remember what it was.


698 posted on 03/20/2005 4:51:19 PM PST by pickyourpoison (" Laus Deo ")
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To: Howlin
BTW, the OJ analogy is a low point in your posts.

Ya think so? Then you haven't been reading many of my posts.

All I am saying is that OJ's jury found him innocent. Kind of like the case of the old lady who was awarded a million bucks from a jury that found McDonalds liable for serving coffee that was hot.

I might not be a lawyer but I do have common sense.

Bottom line for me is that regardless of which 'side' I believe is telling more of the truth than not, I don't want to see a human being starved to death. Long and painful, something we cannot legally do to animals. And this woman never said she wanted to be starved to death.

699 posted on 03/20/2005 4:51:30 PM PST by american colleen
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To: rwfromkansas
Who cares how she lived?

You sure don't.

700 posted on 03/20/2005 4:51:32 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (You have a //cuckoo// God given right //Yeeeahrgh!!// to be an //Hello?// atheist)
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