Posted on 03/20/2005 12:29:52 PM PST by kcvl
Per Fox News...
YOu know that i am right here. We both know I am talking about smearing the parents, not the legal rights they have or do not have.
I have enough psychology to know transference when I see it Neets.
But why address the real issue when you can keep repeating the same old things over and over again in an attempt to misrepresent my posts?
I believe it is you who is overly emotional about this case.
I have to run, but here are the links:
The Wolfson report:
http://www.miami.edu/ethics2/schiavo/wolfson%27s%20report.pdf
You can read more court documents at abstractappeals.co
and we know this how? because he says so...oh....ok. i don't believe him. call me old fashioned, but when you have ONE wife, a second one should not be taken. and the mere fact that a second one is waiting in the wings, casts doubts on the intentions regarding the first.
"According to her health care workers from 1996, Terri was eating soft food with a spoon at that time."
Well, first of all it is ONE worker who claims that -
...and this is the one who says she called the Schindlers and told them about this, so is she lying or did the Schindlers simply forget about this for the next 8 years ?
The doctors who didn't know her before concluded from all lab tests the morning and subsequent two months following, that she was drinking at least 10-15 glasses of iced tea per day, that's all she was consuming.
"i suppose it is acceptable for people like you to publically philander have kids and steal your wife's money."
Please back up your posts with some evidence okay.
"Who are you? I guess you don't understand that I said I stand by what I said. I will not watch the parents smeared around here and not say anything about it."
Diva, "I" am absolutley no one special and didn't mean for it to sound as though I was. That part came out wrong and I apologize... Frankly, I agree with you on pretty much ALL of your points and more than likely I will continue to agree. However, the statement that you made to "Deejay" regarding "You can tell those who don't have children" and (after seeing she did have children, and in fact grandchildren) to follow it up by then suggesting that you can then tell she doesn't care two bits about them is uncalled for, Diva.... It's uncalled for! Trust me, I get ridiculously passionate about the majority of my posts, (some, probably too passionate sometimes, lol!) but tehre is a line between being VERY PASSSIONATE and being just mean... And, I just felt you crossed it with that statement, that's all...
I don't know you, and you don't know me... But, in looking at alot of your posts, I think we are on the same page quite often. For giving you the impression that you should care about "MY" opinion, that wasn't how it was meant. What was meant was, you have alot of really good stuff to say.... but, when it's followed up with something just, nasty... I don't know, I guess it just sat wrong...
If I recall .. Terry's parent paid for everything before the settlement .. Mike even moved in with them to save money
There is a difference between them wanting some of the settlement for themselves and stiffing Terry and asking for something to help pay for the expenses they already paid for her care
But that all aside .. according to MS the money is all gone .. yet the parents still want to care for their daughter
The money issue is now a mute point
You don't know the facts of this case. The reason she is in that condition has never been determined. More than likely it was strangulation.
Most parents would understand that. Anyone who claims not to - are just hopefully not being realistic. Even the ones who are praying for MS to win this battle can surely let their hearts be touched by the parents anguish.
I didn't do that
Try reading my post
I am so pleased that you two understand what I am saying. We have blessed with the ability to love our children to the fullest capacity of our hearts. WOW! That some people don't get that? I had no idea until I read these threads.
So now the amount of love and compassion a parent has for a dying child is a legal matter?!?!? Heaven help us!
i find it breathtaking that those who are agog at what they consider smearing of the husband, have no problem tarring her parents with that same brush. that anyone would question the Schindler's motives in this, utterly appalls me.
I do that with coffee ..
The Euthanasia Connection
But Judge Greer accepted the medical testimony presented by Michael Schiavo that Terri is in a PVS and will not recover. That conclusion becomes even more dubious when you examine Felos’s well-known ties to the euthanasia movement and the background and testimony of Michael Schiavo’s principal medical witness, Dr. Ronald Cranford.
Felos has been a member of the infamous Hemlock Society. Amazon.com, on the Web page for Felos’s book Litigation as Spiritual Practice, describes him as “spearheading a social revolution to enable death with dignity in the state of Florida.” He certainly spearheaded the effort to bring about Estelle Browning’s death, spurred on by his belief that he can spiritually commune with those in a PVS. Although she couldn’t speak, he claimed that he detected her soul crying out to his soul, asking, “Why am I still here?”
In light of Felos’s association with the euthanasia movement, it’s hard to imagine that his choice of Cranford is coincidental, as Cranford is perhaps the leading medical exponent of the pro-death movement.
Cranford jokingly refers to himself as “Dr. Death” and, for a fee, will come to a trial and testify that the person whose life the plaintiff wants to end is in a PVS. He was the leading medical voice calling for the deaths of Paul Brophy, Nancy Jobes, Nancy Cruzan, and Christine Busalucci, all of whom were brain-damaged but not dying. Nonetheless, he advocated death for all by dehydration/starvation, just as he has for Terri.
Nancy Cruzan—one of his “patients”—required no skilled nursing, no care but food and fluids, hygiene, and turning to prevent bedsores. She didn’t even need tube feeding, but Cranford testified that he would even consider spoon-feeding “medical treatment.” Cranford wrote in the summer 1998 issue of Concern for Dying that he foresees “that there may be extreme situations, and in the future increasingly common situations, where physician-assisted suicide may not only be permissible, but encouraged.” In a 1997 op-ed for the Minneapolis–St. Paul Star Tribune, Cranford advocated the starvation of Alzheimer’s patients.
In contrast to the twelve hours Hammesfahr spent examining Terri, Cranford spent approximately 45 minutes. Rus Cooper-Dowda, who has endured neurologic exams himself, upon seeing the videotape of Cranford’s exam described it as “physically brutal.” He said that Cranford “clumsily poked, prodded, thumped, shoved, and pinched her.” Although Cranford admitted that Terri pulled away from him when he approached her, he did not deem that a voluntary response. When Terri moaned after he “thunked her hard between the eyebrows,” Cranford told the court that it wasn’t a response to pain.
Cranford prides himself on the fact that he was very influential in the development of the criteria used in diagnosing PVS. But in 1996, Dr. Keith Andrews, the medical director of the Royal Hospital for Neurodisability in London, along with several other staff members, published an article titled “Misdiagnosis of the Vegetative State” in the British Medical Journal. In that article, they revealed that 43 percent of patients sent to that hospital with the diagnosis of PVS—some of whom had been presumed to be in a PVS for more than a year—were not in a vegetative state at all. They found that the misdiagnosed patients had severe communication problems as a result of their disabilities, but with the proper clinical measures, “nearly all were able to communicate...some to a high level.” They concluded that:
The vegetative state needs considerable skill to diagnose, requiring assessment over a period of time; diagnosis cannot be made, even by the most experienced clinician, from a bedside assessment [emphasis mine].... Recognition of awareness is essential...to avoid inappropriate approaches to the courts for a declaration for withdrawal of tube feeding.
The growing awareness of the difficulty in diagnosing PVS, and the widespread errors in making the diagnosis, have led many leading hospitals, such as the Northwestern University Rehabilitation Institute, to routinely reassess patients referred to them as PVS.
Cranford has testified that patients in a PVS have “no hope of recovery,” but this is simply untrue. A number of people found to be “unrecoverable” have, in fact, recovered. Cranford himself diagnosed Sergeant Richard Mack, a police officer shot in the line of duty, as “definitely...in a persistent vegetative state...never to regain cognitive, sapient functioning.” Almost two years later, Mack “woke up.” He eventually regained almost all his mental abilities.
Kate Adamson, who appeared on Fox News’s O’Reilly Factor on November 6, recounted her own chilling story. She had also been diagnosed as in a PVS, and doctors removed her feeding tube.
I could see and hear everything going on around me, and I had no way...of communicating with anyone…. I was completely paralyzed…. When the feeding tube was turned off for eight days, I was—thought I was—going insane. I was screaming out [in her mind], “Don’t you know I need to eat?” ...Michael [Schiavo] on national TV had mentioned last week that it’s a pretty painless thing to have the feeding tube removed. It is the exact opposite. It was sheer torture...
Thanks to the persistence of her husband, Adamson’s feeding tube was restored, and the doctors reluctantly began to treat her. Her recovery suggests that the untreatability of PVS isn’t as absolute as some would like to suppose.
Hammesfahr is one of the doctors challenging medical orthodoxy regarding PVS patients. He has had promising results in treating stroke and other brain-injured patients. The effectiveness of his treatment program has been confirmed by Medicare, which, by law, is not permitted to pay for treatments that are experimental or not demonstrated to be medically effective. In a 2001 decision, after review of more than 700 patients and the medical literature, Medicare ruled that Hammesfahr’s therapy is “medically reasonable and necessary.”
Hammesfahr believes not only that Terri Schiavo is not in a PVS, but that she is treatable and could recover at least some of her former faculties. He believes, for example, that with proper therapy, Terri could once again swallow normally and take solid food by mouth. He has repeatedly advocated that Terri be given this therapy, but Michael Schiavo, who has complete control over Terri’s medical care, has steadfastly refused to allow it. The evidence for his contention, Hammesfahr explained, is that Terri does not drool. “The average human being produces one-and-a-half to two pints of saliva a day. If you can’t swallow it, you drool,” he said. “Terri can swallow that amount of her own saliva, which means that she can swallow liquids.” If Terri can swallow liquids, he reasons, it is quite likely that she can learn to swallow solid food again, which, of course, means she would no longer require tube feeding.
Apparently you only want to hear what you want to hear. Read the doctors report from the morning of February 25, 1990, the day she collapsed on the floor, and the two months she spent at Humana Northside, following.
Were there strangulation marks on her neck?
All I know is what the court transcript said.
Nothing re: $ was refuted by the Schindlers attorney.
Again, I'm not here to say I support him cohabitating with another woman and fathering illegitimate children. But he is her legal husband by law.
I am certain that most parents could understand the amount of grief these people must be feeling. I am glad to know that you understand it as well.
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