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Mercy killing of infants: A doctor explains
International Herald Tribune ^ | March 19, 2005 | Gregory Crouch

Posted on 03/18/2005 8:25:23 AM PST by Crackingham

Bounding down a spiral staircase that resembles a sawed-off strand of DNA, Dr. Eduard Verhagen is wrapping up a tour of what is surely the world's most controversial pediatric ward. In the past two years, Dr. Verhagen, the clinical director of pediatrics at the University Medical Center, Groningen, has presided over the medically induced deaths of four extraordinarily ill newborns. For his efforts to end what he calls their unbearable and incurable suffering, he has been called "Dr. Death," a second Hitler and worse, mostly by American opponents of euthanasia.

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"My first reaction to most of the criticism is: ridiculous, uninformed," Dr. Verhagen said. "Then the question arises in me: How is it possible that people themselves feel free to say such horrible things about other people they don't know?"

Dr. Verhagen is asking people to recognize something many would prefer not to even think about: A few babies are born with conditions so horrific, so excruciatingly painful, that their doctors and even their parents think they would be better off dead.

His push for an open and detailed discussion of such cases could one day, some hope and others fear, lead to the formal legalization of infant euthanasia in the Netherlands.

(Excerpt) Read more at iht.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: pediatrics; verhagen
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1 posted on 03/18/2005 8:25:23 AM PST by Crackingham
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To: Crackingham
How is it possible that people themselves feel free to say such horrible things about other people they don't know?

As Michael Schiavo said, How can people accuse me of being an adulterer and a murderer when they haven't even met me?

3 posted on 03/18/2005 8:27:56 AM PST by madprof98
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To: Crackingham; tallhappy

All people with (or parents / loved ones of people with) any defects whatsoever (including even minor things like ADD or family histories of cancer or heart attacks) need to stand up and say no to euthanasia. Some have already stepped onto the slippery slope but there is still (barely) time to keep the whole world from going over the cliff.


4 posted on 03/18/2005 8:30:04 AM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Crackingham

Evil is as evil does. Where is your Hippocratic oath now, Doctor?


5 posted on 03/18/2005 8:30:45 AM PST by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: madprof98

As a LION, I am grateful that Judge Greer and Michal Schiavo weren't around when Hellen Keller went deaf and blind as an infant.


6 posted on 03/18/2005 8:31:27 AM PST by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: clee1

I believe it's now the "Hypocritical" Oath...


7 posted on 03/18/2005 8:33:46 AM PST by kimmie7 (Hooking up a feeding tube is no different than bringing a tray to a hospital room. Easier, in fact.)
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To: dcuddeback
Slippery slope indeed.

But...says a father of 5, could you really just watch one of your own suffer horribly for a couple years knowing they will only die? Never reach 5 years old. Never do anything but feel crippling pain.

It is truly a horrible thing to think about. If there was truly no hope but death, I don't think I could just let them suffer utill that death.
8 posted on 03/18/2005 8:42:42 AM PST by mad puppy ( "He's with me!" And I'm with W.)
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To: madprof98
The vast majority of people have never met Adolph Hitler or Ted Bundy, either. I understand that Bundy was a charming fellow, and that Hitler was a pretty good little painter. We don't even know these poor, misjudged gentlemen, and yet we are so quick to criticize! For shame!
9 posted on 03/18/2005 8:42:48 AM PST by Luddite Patent Counsel ("Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others." - Groucho Marx)
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To: Nightshift; Ohioan from Florida

ping


10 posted on 03/18/2005 8:43:20 AM PST by tutstar ( <{{--->< Impeach Judge Greer http://www.petitiononline.com/ijg520/petition.html)
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To: mad puppy
It is truly a horrible thing to think about. If there was truly no hope but death, I don't think I could just let them suffer utill that death.

But, therein lies the great difficulty: When can you know for certain that there is no hope of recovery? There are numerous examples of patients of all ages recovering from "hopeless" cases.

I think many people would agree with you, if there were some sure way to determine that the patient's immense suffering and imminent death were inevitable. Things being as they really are, however, such surety is lacking.

12 posted on 03/18/2005 8:48:31 AM PST by TChris (Lousy homophobic FReeper troll, religious right, VRWC member)
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To: TChris

Yep. I hear you.

Thanks for not flaming me.


13 posted on 03/18/2005 8:50:49 AM PST by mad puppy ( "He's with me!" And I'm with W.)
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To: mad puppy
Thanks for not flaming me.

Flames are for roasting trolls. :-)

14 posted on 03/18/2005 9:12:05 AM PST by TChris (Lousy homophobic FReeper troll, religious right, VRWC member)
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To: Luddite Patent Counsel
once again the almost laughable comments posted on a very serious subject.

It amazes me that in the 21st century that so many intelligent people can not understand that there are times that all our medical abilities can not help a very few infants. There is nothing that medicine can do for them. they are alive, but they can never grow and never survive.

Lets be perfectly straight about this, we are not talking about deafness, or blindness, or spinabifita(sp) or missing limbs here. We are talking about infants born with terminal illness. Conditions that have no hope of cure or even treatment.

We are talking about medical professionals in conjunction with parents and clergy making a decision that none of them want to ever have to make, but are forced on them because of a terminal medical condition. This is not one person.

Having live through this kind of situation, I know that there are few options.

1. do nothing. Allow the child to live and die with out aid. The child will live in extreme pain, screaming as loud as they can. Did you know that an infant can actually damage their lungs screaming like that?
Eventually they will deteriorate and die.

2. Sedate the child and keep them in a state of chemical induced comma. Some conditions can be helped this way, but there are a few that it only stops pain. They may live a bit longer, but to what end? What does it do for the child? for the parents and family that have to face this?

3. End it as painlessly as possible. End the torture, the agony, the emotional torment.

I personally hope that none of you ever have to live through the heart wrenching time of having a child born into your family and then watch as the baby slowly socomes to a very painful death.

If you did, you might understand, but i hope you continue to live ignorant of the reality.
15 posted on 03/18/2005 9:16:20 AM PST by Bigs from the North (Michigan: a state surrounded by water; a sea of red with islands of blue)
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To: Bigs from the North

Still trolling huh?

This is one of the reasons why I retired from nursing. I will not kill or abort my patients. And some MDs already think their Gods, so I don't think they need to decide when we shall die.

Euthanasia is not medical care!!

Here's a source that documents the funding from your puppetmaster.


http://www.missionsun.net/tcajune2004.htm


16 posted on 03/18/2005 9:26:34 AM PST by tertiary01
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To: Bigs from the North

Don't be so quick to assume that others are ignorant, or haven't faced the same things you have, just because they disagree with you.

Every single one of us is born with a terminal condition: it's called mortality. Every one of us suffers. Who are you to presume to know when the suffering of another warrants his death? There are very few instances in which the deliberate taking of another's life is morally justifiable. Mere human suffering, however horrible it may be to you, does not justify the murder of the innocent sufferer.


17 posted on 03/18/2005 9:29:23 AM PST by Luddite Patent Counsel ("Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others." - Groucho Marx)
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To: Ohioan from Florida

Not Terri, but slippery slope euthanasia ping


18 posted on 03/18/2005 9:30:37 AM PST by tertiary01
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To: Crackingham

"Thou shalt not kill."

Now what does the doctor not understand about that?


19 posted on 03/18/2005 9:31:02 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: mad puppy
It is truly a horrible thing to think about.

The example of the child in the article is just unimaginable, I am pro-life and anti-euthanasia, HOWEVER, if the anecdotal became PERSONAL and I had a child with that affliction, I honestly don't think I would want to have him/her suffer for 5 years. I thank God I never faced that horrible choice.

When the FEDS/GOVT gets involved and laws are passed...... eventually it will lead to euthanasia for cleft-lips, etc. It is truly a dilema of monstrous proportions.

20 posted on 03/18/2005 9:51:45 AM PST by PISANO (We will not tire......We will not falter.......We will NOT FAIL!!! .........GW Bush [Oct 2001])
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