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To: unlearner; Revelation 911; xzins; SuziQ; jude24
Disagree. I would not want "frank discussions" of teenage girls engaged in oral sex in my own Bible, let alone a thirteen year old's.

Would I want them to have those frank discussions? No, of course not.

Are they having them anyway? You're darn right they are. And it had darn well better be the church and the family that is out there shaping those opinions.

This book may not be the answer. I've said several times on this thread that I'm not endorsing it. And I'll not buy it becuase I don't have daughters. And of course it's not something you should just have sitting around on a shelf in the Sunday School class room. That's just silly.

But to just blanketly say that we shouldn't be having these discussions because they're "inappropriate" is just living in denial.

Wake up. Kids, yes even the "good Christian kids" are talking about and are doing this stuff. Yes, even the children whose parents "vigilantly guard" them from this perversion.

And shame on us if we refuse to talk to them about it because it makes us uncomfortable.

55 posted on 03/18/2005 11:12:38 AM PST by Corin Stormhands (Sometimes when God closes a door, he throws you through the attic ceiling.)
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To: Corin Stormhands
And shame on us if we refuse to talk to them about it because it makes us uncomfortable.

Yeah, it's tough, but it has to be done, otherwise the kids are clueless as to the moral response to the things they see out in the world, and even among their Christian friends.

56 posted on 03/18/2005 11:19:13 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: Corin Stormhands

"And of course it's not something you should just have sitting around on a shelf in the Sunday School class room. That's just silly."

Is it more silly than having to screen and censor the Bibles people bring to church?

Should people attending church have to worry about whether their child might be sharing a Bible with someone who innocently brought a "Bible" that contains this kind of content.

Just look at their website. It is all about marketing. At least movies, music and video games have parental advisories on them. This does not. It just looks sweet and innocent (until you discover what is cleverly hidden within its pages).

If someone wants to publish a frank discussion of sexual issues AND appropriately label it so that those reading it can be forewarned, I would not feel so strongly. But this is just plain evil.

I understand you are not advocating the book, but I think you are not considering the big picture either.

Yes, children are engaging in these things. Many of them come from Christian homes. At issue is that the church is no longer influencing the societal standards. The world is now influencing the church.

These issues need to be dealt with, just not in the way this book does. This book makes perversion a normative condition. Yet Biblically it is not even normal for unregenerate mankind to engage in perversion.

Rom.1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is AGAINST NATURE.

Jude.10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know NATURALLY, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.


57 posted on 03/18/2005 11:45:06 AM PST by unlearner
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To: Corin Stormhands
Wake up. Kids, yes even the "good Christian kids" are talking about and are doing this stuff.

They wouldn't be "good Christian kids" if they were doing this stuff-by definition.

I do agree that the church isn't showing much fruit, but that is precisely because we engage in pathetic imitations of popular culture in order to appear "hip" to our children. Our children need to be educated, not pandered to. You need to turn off the television, pull your kids from public school, and start teaching. Teenagers who engage in "this kind of stuff" should be disfellowshiped from the church, and removed from the communion of other Christians--JUST AS PAUL TOLD US.
117 posted on 03/20/2005 10:36:03 AM PST by farmer18th (Compromising with absurdity is absurdity)
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