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March 18: The 168th Birthday of the Last Great American President
http://www.fee.org/vnews.php?nid=5463 ^

Posted on 03/17/2005 1:19:44 PM PST by Irontank

Grover Cleveland was the last U.S. president with a valid claim to be known as a classical liberal. (By the time “Silent Cal” Coolidge became president, the big-government horse was already out of the barn, and Ronald Reagan as president was as much the big-government problem as he was the solution.)

A lawyer who lacked a philosophical temperament or education, Cleveland derived his devotion to limited government from his reverence for the U.S. Constitution. An honest man—an extraordinarily honest man for a politician—he took seriously his oath to “preserve, protect, and defend” that document.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government
KEYWORDS: conservatives; grovercleveland; happybirthday; liberals; limitedgovernment; presidents

1 posted on 03/17/2005 1:19:44 PM PST by Irontank
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To: Irontank

When did the 'Big Goverment horse' get out? Was Lincoln the model for expansion of the federal goverment that took place in the 1870s and 1880s?


2 posted on 03/17/2005 1:22:08 PM PST by Borges
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To: Irontank
(By the time “Silent Cal” Coolidge became president, the big-government horse was already out of the barn, and Ronald Reagan as president was as much the big-government problem as he was the solution.)

Is it just me, or does this not make any sense?

3 posted on 03/17/2005 1:22:43 PM PST by Finger Monkey (H.R. 25, Fair Tax Act - do the research, contact your legislators, get this puppy passed.)
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To: Irontank; MeekOneGOP; Zacs Mom; Conspiracy Guy; Laura Earl; Lady Jag

ping. sniff?


4 posted on 03/17/2005 1:23:24 PM PST by Hi Heels (Now Andy, I ain't got time for them trivial trivialities...Barney Fife)
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To: Borges

--the Civil War sure got a lot of it started, most notably the "omnibus" spending bill--


5 posted on 03/17/2005 1:23:33 PM PST by rellimpank (urban dwellers don' t understand the cultural deprivation of not being raised on a farm)
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To: Irontank

Any comments on the article, Irontank? Or are you posting and running?


6 posted on 03/17/2005 1:23:44 PM PST by cspackler (There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't.)
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To: Irontank

7 posted on 03/17/2005 1:27:04 PM PST by Hi Heels (Now Andy, I ain't got time for them trivial trivialities...Barney Fife)
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To: Irontank

Whacha smokin?


8 posted on 03/17/2005 1:48:01 PM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Okay, you evolved. I was created. Get used to it.)
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To: Irontank

I agree heartily. He's one of my favorites. And what a rise to power in such a short period of time. He was honest to the core.


9 posted on 03/17/2005 1:53:37 PM PST by cotton1706
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To: cspackler

President Cleveland vetoed 584 spending bills in 8 years...and, in just 5 years, GWB has vetoed...well....none

"Though the people support the Government, the Government should not support the people"


10 posted on 03/17/2005 2:01:33 PM PST by Irontank
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To: Irontank

Oh cool! You came back to play!!

Care to supply an example of one that you believe he should have vetoed, or are you just a numbers person?


11 posted on 03/17/2005 2:09:30 PM PST by cspackler (There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't.)
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To: cspackler

*plays the jeopardy theme song*


12 posted on 03/17/2005 2:16:03 PM PST by Hi Heels (Now Andy, I ain't got time for them trivial trivialities...Barney Fife)
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To: Hi Heels

Doo doo doo doo... doo doo doo..

doo doo doo doo... doo! doo doo doo doo doo


13 posted on 03/17/2005 2:23:29 PM PST by cspackler (There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't.)
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To: Hi Heels

It takes time to go looking for one.

I'm sure there are some that could have been vetoed, not everyone will always agree.

Just seems to me that with a Republican House and Senate, if a Republican President has to veto a lot of bills, he (or she) ain't doin' somethin' right.

I'm sure he/she will come back with a fine example any time, though...


14 posted on 03/17/2005 2:26:59 PM PST by cspackler (There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't.)
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To: Irontank
President Cleveland vetoed 584 spending bills in 8 years

That is awesome- Cleveland is my new hero.

15 posted on 03/17/2005 2:56:08 PM PST by jsmith48 (www.isupatriot.com)
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To: jsmith48

and a Cleveland was a darn good muscle car engine, too.


16 posted on 03/17/2005 3:17:01 PM PST by WireAndWood (The Freeper formerly known as LouisWu)
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To: cspackler
"Care to supply an example of one that you believe he should have vetoed, or are you just a numbers person?"

Oh, that is way too easy.

McCain-Feingold or commonly known as campaign finance reform.

Expansion of Medicaid benefits.

Most of the Patriot Act.

(you need to understand something about the Patriot Act. It's provisions were not written just in the time period immediately afer September 11, 2001 attack, by a Republican Congress and Administration.

The Clintonite's working in the bowels of government for the previous 8 years had been doing the composing. All of the communist who do not give a rat's ass about limited government or preservation of rights were the composers.

Countless examples of regulations that blatantly violate Amendment II, IV, V, and IX to name a view.

So, then what happens, a Republican President signs this abhorent, unconstitutional, anti-libery, Democrat written law, which was handed to him to sign by a Republican Congress.)

And the Republicans want me to vote for them again.

17 posted on 03/17/2005 3:49:15 PM PST by tahiti
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To: BerthaDee; Irontank
"(By the time “Silent Cal” Coolidge became president, the big-government horse was already out of the barn, and Ronald Reagan as president was as much the big-government problem as he was the solution.)"

Is it just me, or does this not make any sense?


      My hunch is that it's not just you, but it makes sense to me.
18 posted on 03/17/2005 9:00:27 PM PST by Celtman (It's never right to do wrong to do right.)
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To: Irontank

Cleveland was certainly the last President to consistently veto Congressional "pity" spending, the like recounted in the Davy Crockett Horace Bunce tale.


19 posted on 03/17/2005 9:04:00 PM PST by Rightwing Conspiratr1 (Lock-n-load!)
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