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Your tax dollars at work?
1 posted on 03/17/2005 7:36:48 AM PST by SmithL
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To: SmithL

It still makes more sense that that stupid treadmill emissions tests that got forced down our throats awhile back.

LQ


2 posted on 03/17/2005 7:39:14 AM PST by LizardQueen
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To: SmithL
Why don't they start with the governors SUVs?
3 posted on 03/17/2005 7:39:17 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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"The goal is to take as many as 15,000 high-polluting vehicles off the road annually during the next 10 years."

Most will probably come off block in front yards or from Nevada.

7 posted on 03/17/2005 7:47:16 AM PST by elfman2
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To: SmithL

This is actually not a terrible idea. The vast majority of auto emissions today come from a relative handful of vehicles. Its probably cheaper to "buy" them off of people than it is to spend millions on innefective smog testing systems.


8 posted on 03/17/2005 7:54:01 AM PST by Paradox (Occam was probably right.)
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To: SmithL

They'll get my '51 Plymouth when they pry the steering whell from my cold dead, dead hands!


10 posted on 03/17/2005 8:00:09 AM PST by Luddite Patent Counsel ("Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others." - Groucho Marx)
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To: SmithL

I can see this proposal having the same kind of unintended consequences as so-called "gun buy-backs", where people dredge up all kinds of worthless junk to collect the fee.


12 posted on 03/17/2005 8:03:41 AM PST by Disambiguator
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To: SmithL

Oh, no! More anti-Mexican illegal criminal alien rules! Next thing, the governor will want these same criminals to have the mandatory liability insurance that legal drivers must have. Then he'll want them to have real licenses, issued by the actual state and not purchased in a parking lot from "Documents By Jose" or "Manuel the License Man!"


14 posted on 03/17/2005 8:04:26 AM PST by Tacis ("John ("What SF-180?") Kerry - Still Shilling For Those Who Would Harm America!")
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To: SmithL

He's going to make me mad.


16 posted on 03/17/2005 8:11:21 AM PST by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: SmithL
He's also called for the creation of a network of hydrogen fuel stations along major California highways.

Is anybody looking at the long-term environmental impact of the "Hydrogen Economy"? Hydrogen is an extremely slippery gas to try to contain, particularly at high pressure. A piping system that would be completely adequate for containing pressurized air or refrigerant will leak like a sieve when filled with hydrogen. So we can expect that fugitive emissions of hydrogen will fairly large.

So what happens when Hydrogen escapes into the atmosphere? Well, nothing, really. Hydrogen is so light it will immediately travel up into the upper atmosphere, never to be heard from again. So we will wind up with an upper layer of hydrogen in the atmosphere. Some of this gas may actually escape the pull of Earth's gravity, or be scoured away by tidal forces of the moon.

This may or may not be benign. I'm no atmospheric scientist, but it could act like a greenhouse gas, I suppose.

But what may be worse is what is left behind. All the hydrogen that escapes will have been liberated from water through one process or another. The corresponding Oxygen that would have bound with the fugitive Hydrogen will be left near the surface. Now Oxygen is a wonderful thing, but too much of anything is not necessarily good. It will bind up with Carbon to form Carbon Monoxide and Carbon Dioxide, or who knows what. Oxygen is one of the primary actors in the ecosystem, and increasing the fraction of Oxygen in the air will effect everything in ways that nobody has examined.

17 posted on 03/17/2005 8:20:44 AM PST by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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To: SmithL

LOL

Junk cars off the road?

OK.

How about fat chicks off the beach too while we're at it.

Oh, and all old people have to walk single file.


18 posted on 03/17/2005 8:23:40 AM PST by Bon mots
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Juarez, Mexico: Where all old American cars go to die.


22 posted on 03/17/2005 8:30:17 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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What a dumb$#!T

Layoff teachers, boost class size to 40+ and then spend millions on old junker cars.

Holtz
JeffersonRepublic.com


26 posted on 03/17/2005 8:35:41 AM PST by JeffersonRepublic.com (The 51st state is right around the corner.)
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""If the Democrats in the Legislature are so bad, why is he taking our bills and making them part of his platform?""

Because he is a RINO... DUH!


27 posted on 03/17/2005 8:38:45 AM PST by JeffersonRepublic.com (The 51st state is right around the corner.)
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Hey, I have an '83 Toyota 4x4 that just bit the dust and couldn't pass smog with a $1000 worth of fixes. I would have to rebuild the motor. Selling it is a pain because in CA the seller is responsible to ensure it passes smog, not the buyer. I was considering selling the whole thing as "parts only". From what I understand that is the only way to get away from the requirement for the truck to pass smog.

Anyone have a link to how to apply for this? I couldn't find it on the CA state website.


36 posted on 03/17/2005 10:13:42 AM PST by Riddick (Open your eyes and see the truth, it shall set you free!)
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Schwarzenkennedy's left hand does not know what his right hand is dong. He favors DLs for ILLEGAL immigrants -- what the hell are the majority of them going to drive?

There's a state program to pay for their car insurance already once they have the Cedillo-Schwarzenkennedy shiny new drivers licenses, is there going to be a program to buy ILLEGAL aliens late model cars? No doubt funded by fines paid by citizens who can't afford anyting but an old car!

37 posted on 03/17/2005 11:25:03 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (MSM Fraudcasters are skid marks on journalism's clean shorts.)
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One of the things I hate most about the current registration program in the Republic of Kaliforniastan is that they have it all backwards, IMO. I drive a 2002 Avalanche and paid $375 to register it this year. This is for a vehicle that doesn't require smog testing yet, so it amounts to a property tax based on the value of the vehicle. I believe the fees on my neighbors 1990 mustang were $79 this year.

Instead of taxing new vehicles which tend to pollute less, the DMV should charge lower fees up front and increase over the life of the vehicle thereby encouraging owners to replace them more often, getting the older, dirtier models off the road. Make it too expensive to own a junker.

The obvious problem here is that this makes too much sense and doesn't take antique vehicles into account. Ok, no problem. If an owner sticks it out for the 20 or 25 years it takes for a vehicle to claim antique status, reassess the fees based on the value of the vehicle and the number of miles driven per year (assuming that you aren't gonna risk your "baby" on the road that often).

Just my $0.02


38 posted on 03/17/2005 12:49:21 PM PST by EN1 Sailor
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To: SmithL

41 posted on 03/17/2005 1:30:33 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: SmithL

I need to buy a fleet of sub-$500 cars with emmission problems and move to California.


44 posted on 04/06/2005 11:42:54 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: SmithL
The camel's nose.

It will only be a matter of time before you will have to retire your vehicle based on age. Not performance, not how cleanly it burns, but just when it was made.

That way you can have one with all the black boxes and other totalitaran-friendly widgets which track your position and allow the right folks to listen to what is being said in your vehicle.

For now, I'll keep driving my fossils.

47 posted on 04/23/2005 10:03:04 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (Grant no power to government you would not want your worst enemies to wield against you.)
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