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To: SmithL

This is actually not a terrible idea. The vast majority of auto emissions today come from a relative handful of vehicles. Its probably cheaper to "buy" them off of people than it is to spend millions on innefective smog testing systems.


8 posted on 03/17/2005 7:54:01 AM PST by Paradox (Occam was probably right.)
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To: Paradox

I agree. Whenever I see an old beater blowing clouds of thick blue smoke I wish the police would just pull them over.


9 posted on 03/17/2005 7:58:49 AM PST by conserv13
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To: Paradox
--and was proposed about fifteen years or so ago in Denver as a result of a study by Denver University,IIRC--proven to be much cheaper and effective than the other so-called "pollution control" measures--

---of course,the "environmentalists" shot it down---

13 posted on 03/17/2005 8:03:48 AM PST by rellimpank (urban dwellers don' t understand the cultural deprivation of not being raised on a farm)
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To: Paradox
This is actually not a terrible idea. The vast majority of auto emissions today come from a relative handful of vehicles

It's smoke and mirrors, supported by crackpot science. Smog testing is big business for the state. The tests are not designed to get rid of smog, they're designed to keep the program growing.
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29 posted on 03/17/2005 8:48:35 AM PST by mugs99 (Restore the Constitution)
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To: Paradox
This is actually not a terrible idea. The vast majority of auto emissions today come from a relative handful of vehicles.

Late to the party but here's some data that debunks this BS. Here's a web site that provides some data based on mileage http://www.aircarecolorado.com/repair/acnews/apr99.htm

<5K miles 3g/mi

<50K miles 4.6g/mi

<70K miles 6.7g/mi

<80K miles 13g/mi

Looks like on average vehicles under 80K emit 5g/mi while vehicles over 80K emit 13g/mi. As a vehicles accumulates miles it's emissions go up. Not rocket science. There are roughly 30-40 million vehicles in California. Lets assume each drives 15K miles per year. That's probably conservative. The older vehicles probably accumulate significantly less mileage per year.

35 million vehicles x 15Kmiles/year x 5g/mi = 2.625x10^9 kilograms

15K vehicles x 15Kmiles/year x 13g/mi = 2.925x10^6 kilograms

The 15K "old" vehicles represent a 1% or less problem. The Governor wants to spend $150 MILLON on a 1% change in emissions. Most likely some of the vehicles turned in for the $1K aren't even on the road and are really parts cars for collectors. I bet a detailed study would come up with numbers <0.5%. No wonder California has a spending problem.

42 posted on 03/17/2005 1:53:30 PM PST by mpreston
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