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ANWR Amendment (Cantwell) DOES NOT PASS

Posted on 03/16/2005 11:01:57 AM PST by BladeLWS

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To: liberty2004
You must not live in the real world. The oil companies are only too happy to let the Enviro's and government bow wows do their dirty work. I've seen it happen.
They are the ultimate "I've got mine" group.
281 posted on 03/16/2005 3:06:26 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: keysguy
"Nuclear could help a lot but the enviro wackos would go absolutely nuts, and today the cost is stratospheric to build a reactor. It's only allowed in france where they get 80% of their power from nuclear."

Nuclear would help a lot we need to have a "standard" reactor design approved that could be built in many places.

There is probably a lot of oil in the Gulf of Mexico off the U.S. coast but even some Republicans, Jeb Bush for example, are against drilling for it.

282 posted on 03/16/2005 3:10:16 PM PST by lstanle
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To: liberty2004
The actual facts are that the refining business has been a lousy one historically from a financial perspective. The margins were low and often negative. That is one of the main reasons that no new refineries have been built in 35 years.

I'm not sure what the refining margins are right now, but I assume they're in the black. But good luck in building one on the west coast if you wanted to. I don't think you have to be a psychic to predict that the last new refinery in California has already been built.

283 posted on 03/16/2005 3:27:30 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: bfree

ANWR: Another National (oil) Well Reservoir. The more, the merrier I say!


284 posted on 03/16/2005 3:30:18 PM PST by X-USAF
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To: RightWhale; Graycliff
FOX News noted a minute ago that the increase in the price
of oil was attributed to a shrinking fuel supply in the U.S.

Per Shepard Smith (I believe it was him) on Brit Hume's
Special Report.

Just passing it along. :^)


285 posted on 03/16/2005 3:35:18 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
You must not live in the real world. The oil companies are only too happy to let the Enviro's and government bow wows do their dirty work. I've seen it happen.

I live in the real world. I think you misunderstood the thrust of my argument. I agree with you that companies do impede competition through government/enviro actions. No doubt. What I am saying is you put the blame on the companies. They are only acting in their self interest. The true blame lies with govt. "In an ideal world" the companies could lobby all day and night to Congress, but would be told to "go and compete." I think too many people point fingers at the marketplace, when it is the government that is all to happy to screw around with market forces for the right$$$. Sorry, I wasn't more clear. Again, I agree mostly with you point. I just put the blame on government instead of the basic capitalist system (which barely survives in the US) Thanks for your thoughts.

286 posted on 03/16/2005 3:40:54 PM PST by liberty2004
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To: scottywr
Yeah....its open for drilling until some liberal judge says its not.

I'm afraid you are right. Judges are now America's dictators.

287 posted on 03/16/2005 3:42:38 PM PST by Semi Civil Servant
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To: ManHunter

#80. Manhunter is 100% on track with his information ... been there, seen it.


288 posted on 03/16/2005 3:43:00 PM PST by ArmyTeach (Pray daily for our troops.)
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To: lstanle
There is probably a lot of oil in the Gulf of Mexico off the U.S. coast but even some Republicans, Jeb Bush for example, are against drilling for it.

Agreed. But in ways, Jeb is only reacting to public ignorance and envir-nut rantings. I have many conversative friends on the sun coast of Florida and when I mention it would be great to drill offshore they go nuts. I tell them that LA and Texas have many offshore rigs and there best fishing is found around them. I say that many would be over the horizon and not seen from the coast. They still think "an accident" could happen. It is astounding how many people don't want it in their backyard, but want the benefits. I remember sometime back that Louisiana produces about 60% of the countries natural gas and much of it gets pipelined to the Northeast. Sometimes, I just wish they shut the pipelines down and tell the Blue states to find their own oil. (I know that isn't capitalist of me, but it is fun to think about). How many Florida freepers are against offshore drilling off the West coast of Florida? I am curious.

289 posted on 03/16/2005 3:47:30 PM PST by liberty2004
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To: Texas_Jarhead
woo hoo - 'bout freakin time some common sense won out over irrational environmental wacko-ism

YES!

The enviro-nazis have and will always label Bush a big polluter no matter what he does anyway.

It's GREAT to see him get this HUGE victory over them.

290 posted on 03/16/2005 3:50:35 PM PST by Jorge
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

#122. I know Texans have this thing about Alaska being bigger than Texas, but the fact remains that WAY TOO MUCH of Alaska if Federal. Tell Connecticut that the FEDS are taking control of -what? - 80% of the land in their state and you'll hear from a lot of very upset people.
And it was Seward's Folly. He turned out to a very forward thinking person.


291 posted on 03/16/2005 3:51:58 PM PST by ArmyTeach (Pray daily for our troops.)
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To: chimera

But why do we need to drill? Didn't we just invade Iraq for its oil?


292 posted on 03/16/2005 3:52:40 PM PST by MIT-Elephant ("Armed with what? Spitballs?")
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To: Truth666
Oil continues to set all time high AFTER ANWR announcement - now $56.60

Probably because none of the ANWR oil will reach the market for at least another 10 years.

293 posted on 03/16/2005 3:53:29 PM PST by Jorge
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To: denver larry

Troll alert.


294 posted on 03/16/2005 3:54:19 PM PST by Kay
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To: Semi Civil Servant
Yeah....its open for drilling until some liberal judge says its not. I'm afraid you are right. Judges are now America's dictators.

I would be so Pi**ed as would many. If that happens, Bush should say, "your edict is unconstitutional and I will therefore ignore it." Bush should then encourage the Senate to begin impeachment proceedings against said judge. Would that be fun to see? The left would call Bush a dictator for simply respecting the Constitution.

295 posted on 03/16/2005 3:55:16 PM PST by liberty2004
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To: BladeLWS
Yeah, buddy!

TX, 1922... go AK, 2005!
Okay, so it won't change anything, and so what if Alaskan crude ends up in Japan. Heh, it's the principal of it that counts, you know, the one about making libs cry.

Environmentalism has become a reactionary movement, and it gets today a deserved smack.

Nicollo unmasked: Bromleyisms here

296 posted on 03/16/2005 3:58:34 PM PST by nicollo (All economics are politics.)
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To: deport

I did, and discovered that there has been some exporting of Alaskan crude, but no more than 7% of the production.

The bulk went to Korea (S) and the remaining to Japan. It was close to the amount our forces in their country consumed. I am assuming that it is payback for buying their oil.

BTW, AK crude is high sulphur, not very desireable on the world market. That is another reason why gas is so expensive on the west coast (refining costs).

Clinton approved some exporting of Ak crude, but the State of Alaska refused to waive the shipping of AK crude in any tanker except on U.S. flagged vessels, so the lifting of the ban was meaningless (much like Clintons presidency).


297 posted on 03/16/2005 4:03:39 PM PST by Lokibob (All typos and spelling errors are mine and copyrighted!!!!)
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To: BladeLWS

This is awesome news. Not only because we become more self sufficient but because it shows that the repubs are growing some nads. I've been holding off on any more contributions to them until I see this type of thing.

I'm still going to wait until they foil the dems plans to stop W.'s judge nominations though.


298 posted on 03/16/2005 4:11:07 PM PST by westmichman (Pray for global warming. Friend of Ronnie -(stolen from The Patriot))
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

Oh, yeah. My first car I could fill up for $2. That is 10 gallons.


299 posted on 03/16/2005 4:12:24 PM PST by RightWhale (Please correct if cosmic balance requires.)
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To: nicollo
Okay, so it won't change anything, and so what if Alaskan crude ends up in Japan.

Actually, it doesn't make any difference if Alaskan crude goes to Japan. The world oil market is just that and it's the availability of crude supply to overall world demand that sets the price.

I can't find any evidence, though, that more than four tankers a week carry Alaskan crude to asia, less than 10% of Alaskan production.

300 posted on 03/16/2005 4:13:31 PM PST by Dog Gone
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