ANWR Amendment (Cantwell) DOES NOT PASS

[BladeLWS]

Cantwell amendment HAS NOT PASSED THE SENATE!

[NeoCaveman]

I suggest you tell your republican congress to mandate production of clean energy technology.

We do not live in a command and control economy. Too bad, for you, the U.S.S.R. is no longer with us. If it was you could move there and live under all the government mandates your little totalitarian heart desires.

[JesseHousman]

It is always helpful, as some don't have as much free time as others, to give just a tad of background.

A post with only the information that Cantwells's ammendment doesn't pass is no post at all!!!!!

[Robert A Cook PE]

Your statements are not true.

Platitudes, easy to blindly repeat to the masses, but not true.

1. Oil needs to be prudently harvested, prudently used, and prudently explored. More oil reserves are known now, after a century of use, than were available a century ago.

2. Alt energy sources CANNOT provide a miracle. They "might" provide as much as 10% of our use, at the expensive of much higher costs and greater pollution from toxic wastes, greater production costs, and less efficiency. Witness the waste of trying to pull batteries around in a car, recharge those batteries, replace those batteries (lead, cadmium, acids, copper, plastics, contaminates, etc.) and store the waste products.

3. Production from ANWAR WILL have an effect. Not as much as other things, but like the Social Security issue, you (the democrats and enviro's) are claiming that "No solution is perfect, therefore we must reject every attempt to try to create ANY solution."

4. Your last statement justifies even more the drilling on US soil.

[keysguy]

You got Hagel's number all right.

McPain is so vain he may have voted against Anwar just to get face time on fat tims show Sunday. Probably will work but to what reward?

[ExSoldier]

"BIG OIL" can't set different prices here than what it sells for overseas unless the gov't fixes domestic price for them. The market sets the price.

Whatever the market will bear is the economics of the issue. If they feel they can get more for the oil overseas, that's where it will go. If the pressure politically is here to use the sudden surplus to lower prices, why won't they sell overseas in a thin market where there are shortages, to insure continued profit?

[Robert A Cook PE]

Nah.

We're fighting over it.

8<)

[liberty2004]

Alaska is pretty hamstrung by federal regulations...maybe that can be addressed too... The federal government should NOT own the peoples land.. any of it.. including the parks.

Excellent points. The government should turn the Fed Lands in Alaska back to the citizens of Alaska. We should be drilling all over Alaska, and off the coast of Florida!

[Jotmo]

I hate tearing up the Earth

Care to explain what you mean by that? Drilling for oil = "tearing up the earth"???

and can we finally get solar energy to be practical and affordable

There are just a few things holding back solar power from becoming "practical and affordable". Those being the laws of physics and thermodynamics. So until we figure out a way around them, the short answer is NO.

[liberty2004]

"We won't see this oil for 10 years. It will have minimal impact," argued Sen. Maria Cantwell

what a complete idiot. How some people reason, I will never understand. Who votes for idiots like her?

[timtoews5292004]

why do what?

[JesseHousman]

Seems a little F'n stupid to me over a 6 month supply of oil.

You apparently have swallowed the propaganda then..

There is enough oil in the "pristine wilderness" to float a tanker on Lake Erie!

Now that's "f'n" stupid for a poster to have been gullible enough to suck up the lies laid by the left.

[mainepatsfan]

Yes!!!!

[JesseHousman]

I hate to admit it, but he is almost right.

NA keeps about 18% of pipeline oil while the rest gets pumped onto tankers at Long Beach and shipped to Asia.

[hosepipe]

Alaska map.. jpg.. (various)
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/alaska.html

You do know that Alaska is a almost as big as the entire western U.S. don't you.?.

[Robert A Cook PE]

More important, that 30 year rate is pure guessing, basedonly on extraction techology we know about now.

And, in the 1920's, they could only get out 10-15% of a field's potential.

And could only find 10% of what's actually there.

And, in the 1920's, they could drill a few thousand feet. Straight down. Now, we can go sideways for miles underground, using soaps and high pressure gas and water back underground to flush out many times more oil than ever before.

What's next to improve recovery?

I don't know. But after 30 years of production, it's a safe bet that we will find out that there is ANOTHER 30 year's of production out of that field.

[Prophet in the wilderness]

I meant,,,,, I wish ( I hope ) one day, I could fill my tank up for $ 5.00 again,, but, I guess that sounds unrealistic.

[No.6]

"I dunno if suggesting this would be me starting a flamewar or not, but http://www.changethis.com, has a very sensible proposal for switching to biodiesel listed on it, that I am in favor of. A professor at the U of NH has a patented process to convert algae byproducts to useable biodiesel fuel, implementable NOW (or at least the near future). I know it would never happen, but it would be a great thing. No more money going to al-qaeda, the sauds, anybody."

My theory is that tackling our energy dependency is going to take many angles. ANWR is one. Bio-diesel is one. Hybrids, fuel cells, nuke plants, new refineries, abolishing stupid 'boutique' blends for special markets, all are tools we need to attack this problem. Yes to wind, yes to new solar technologies, tidal generators, anything that works. Certainly yes also to plain old drilling, because new tech doesn't appear deus ex machina out of thin air.

I can get a little aggro with people who say yes to bio-diesel and no to hybrids, or yes to ANWR but no to something else. We need all the means at our disposal.

[oldcomputerguy]

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/company_level_imports/current/import.html


This is the DOE URL that contains our actual oil imports.
Based on their data, we import 10 Million BPD of crude oil and ANWR is slated to produce 1M BPD so ANWR would provide 10% of our current oil usage or as much as many of our major suppliers now provided to us.

[keysguy]

I was wondering that myself.

[timtoews5292004]

agreed. change by any means neccessary. his is just one of many methods that seem to get the job done.