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The lesson that both debaters desperately need to learn is that the very essence of debate is objectivity. .....maybe 50 years ago this was true

sometimes you have to call a Horney Hick a horney hick.....(I was born in West Virginia ---- maybe I am a horney hick too)

I suspect that this author is writing from her heart, and is not writing for an audience, because I don't think she knows who her audience is anymore. I guess I am sorry that she is dissapointed or disillusioned. Her vision of partisian debate is way naive. I guess I am sorry to see her pristine idealism shattered

1 posted on 03/14/2005 7:53:12 PM PST by rface
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Objective? I thought you were to debate the merits of your position, not be objective like perhaps and audience member could be.

The author if this piece is kind of pathetic.


23 posted on 03/14/2005 8:04:37 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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I went home that night and tore my Bush-Cheney sticker off my door, and took my Bush "Taking America forward" pin off my bulletin board. I no longer consider myself a Republican, or even a conservative. From this day forward I choose the path of true progress. Consider me an objectivist.

It's highly unlikely that Ashley is or ever was a conservative

Ashley Samelson is a sophomore who has yet to declare a major.

Well, she's young yet so there's still hope.

25 posted on 03/14/2005 8:06:38 PM PST by jla
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Consider me an objectivist.

Objective people can disagree with each other.

26 posted on 03/14/2005 8:06:48 PM PST by oldbrowser (What really matters is culture, ethos, character, and morality)
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"Ashley Samelson is a sophomore who has yet to declare a major."

Seems she wishy-washy in more ways than one!


29 posted on 03/14/2005 8:08:45 PM PST by torchthemummy ("Terrorism has less to do with economic poverty than with political poverty." - Jane Novak)
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Well, people have already pointed out that it's extremely doubtful that she had Bush/Cheney stickers to tear off, and that she's a flake who can't make up her mind.

I'm not sure if I hold the name "Ashley" against her, because I know several nice girls named Ashley. But it's tempting.


32 posted on 03/14/2005 8:10:19 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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throw off self-righteous mantles of partisanship and to work instead towards a more progressive dialogue.

This is pretty deluded even for a college sophomore. I find it difficult to believe she was genuinely conservative and because of this "debate" abandoned her beliefs.

When she has lived a little longer and has more experience she may see that whenever conservatives try to "work instead towards a more progressive dialogue" they get back stabbed by the liberals. Case in point, Teddy (aka The Swimmer) Kennedy and the "education" bill. Bush foolishly lets him write it and then right after its passage, The Swimmer goes out and trashes Bush and the bill. And nobody in the MSM calls him on it.

One does not have a "dialog" with the left. One defeats them in the arena of ideas, at the ballot box and anywhere else necessary.

Simply put, it is redundant to refer to politics as partisan. And naive to think that it should be anything else.

35 posted on 03/14/2005 8:11:12 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60's.....you weren't really there.)
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"I went home that night and tore my Bush-Cheney sticker off my door, and took my Bush "Taking America forward" pin off my bulletin board. I no longer consider myself a Republican, or even a conservative."

Later, tard...
36 posted on 03/14/2005 8:11:18 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead
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Ann is old enough to be my mom, I think, but geez, she's so hot.


37 posted on 03/14/2005 8:13:35 PM PST by Tiemieshooz
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"The lesson that both debaters desperately need to learn is that the very essence of debate is objectivity."

I wonder how many best selling books Ashley Sampson has written.

We won't have to worry about partisanship too much longer since the Dimocrat Party is in an accelerating death spiral, should impact the ground in about 6 - 8 months. We'll be a much better country and another political organization will fill the void.


38 posted on 03/14/2005 8:13:55 PM PST by Chu Gary (USN Intel guy 1967 - 1970)
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I went home that night and tore my Bush-Cheney sticker off my door

Good news is she left the Kerry/Edwards sticker on her Bumper! Ann Rox!!

Pray for W and Our Troops

40 posted on 03/14/2005 8:15:32 PM PST by bray (Iraq has political Freedom, now Pray for Religious Freedom)
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I went home that night and tore my Bush-Cheney sticker off my door, and took my Bush "Taking America forward" pin off my bulletin board. I no longer consider myself a Republican, or even a conservative. From this day forward I choose the path of true progress. Consider me an objectivist.

Sorry, I'm not buying it.

A real Republican or a real conservative would never be driven away by a commentator they have disagreement with. I'm not a big fan of Coulter myself. Sometimes I like what she has to say, other times decisively not. I haven't picked up my toys and headed home.

The Republican Party is not defined solely by one member among millions. The conservative movement is not even defined by a person, but an ideology. If she had really been either she'd never break ties over a disagreement of style with Coulter.

41 posted on 03/14/2005 8:16:09 PM PST by Soul Seeker
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Ashley Samelson is a sophomore who has yet to declare a major.

Hee-hee. We haven't had such insights since Amy Carter, at 12, gave us her opinions on nuclear weapons.

43 posted on 03/14/2005 8:17:16 PM PST by speekinout
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[ I went home that night and tore my Bush-Cheney sticker off my door, and took my Bush "Taking America forward" pin off my bulletin board. I no longer consider myself a Republican, or even a conservative ]

Spoken like a lyin democrat skank...
Never happened.. Ann must've got her GOOD... To bring out this much of a vindictive smoke screen..

46 posted on 03/14/2005 8:18:50 PM PST by hosepipe (This Propaganda has been edited to include not a small amount of Hyperbole..)
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Hey... at least she called him a Horney hick and not something else.


48 posted on 03/14/2005 8:21:03 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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I went home that night and tore my Bush-Cheney sticker off my door

After she scraped off her Kerry/Edwards sticker on top of it.

52 posted on 03/14/2005 8:25:47 PM PST by Brett66 (W1 W1 W1 W1 W1 W1 W1 W1)
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The author was not so much disillusioned with conservatism as with partisanship. I think she has a point. I do not see how we can meet "in the middle", which is required for a republic to go forward.

However, where she misses the boat, and it can be forgiven seeing that she is in a university setting, is failing to realize that George Bush won BIG! If people were actually fed the truth by the MSM, he would have won BIGGER! In other words, the people who espouse liberalism are truly in the minority and really don't have to be accommodated.


54 posted on 03/14/2005 8:26:57 PM PST by the_Watchman
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Consider me an objectivist.

I bet this "objectivist" has never even read Rand.

If she were really looking for an intellectual debate, you would think she would be smart enough to realize that that is more the realm of VDH......

55 posted on 03/14/2005 8:27:24 PM PST by jsmith48 (www.isupatriot.com)
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Hey, Ashley...G.F.Y., which I suspect you do frequently.


60 posted on 03/14/2005 8:34:23 PM PST by clintonh8r (Heteronormative and PROUD!!)
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If the debate deflowered this princess and drove her away from her convictions as a conservative...well...don't let the door hit you in the @ss on the way out, sweetheart.


62 posted on 03/14/2005 8:35:30 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Every morning we awaken to a new dawn is reason enough to celebrate - have a drink, Teddy!)
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"...she opened with a statement referring to Clinton as a "horny hick." Such spiteful and subjective comments brought laughter from the audience but did nothing to strengthen her opposing argument......I went home that night and tore my Bush-Cheney sticker off my door, and took my Bush "Taking America forward" pin off my bulletin board. I no longer consider myself a Republican, or even a conservative"

What a joke! No true conservative would react like this. Her beliefs changed because of a simple debate? She must not have had very strongly held beliefs.

What is she now...a socialist?






65 posted on 03/14/2005 8:41:11 PM PST by RavenATB ("Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it." George Bernard Shaw)
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