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Who really won the Ann Coulter-Peter Beinart debate at Tufts University?
The Tufts Daily ^ | March 14, 2005 | Ashley Samelson

Posted on 03/14/2005 7:53:10 PM PST by rface

...she opened with a statement referring to Clinton as a "horny hick." Such spiteful and subjective comments brought laughter from the audience but did nothing to strengthen her opposing argument......I went home that night and tore my Bush-Cheney sticker off my door, and took my Bush "Taking America forward" pin off my bulletin board. I no longer consider myself a Republican, or even a conservative

Wednesday's (March 9th) intellectual exchange between Ann Coulter and Peter Beinart was both stimulating and disappointing, but above all, it was quite unsettling.

Both candidates had significant strengths, and they were surely worthy opponents. And it is always a privilege to witness such free exchange of discourse. However, while the debate was feisty and witty, I was left with an overall disturbing sense of deep hatred and political regression.

Beinart, editor of The New Republic (liberal), relied on many facts, figures and statistics, giving his argument an objective strength. Coulter did not respond with as many tangible figures, weakening her position. Beinhart's weakness, however, lay in his inability to keep the argument impersonal. He directed numerous insults at Coulter, most of which were completely irrelevant to the discussion topic.

This reflected the greatest strength of Coulter. She began her opening statements with praise for Beinart. She lauded him as a worthy opponent, a future leader of his party, and a man of great intellect. Beinart did no such thing. Coulter maintained her composure upon the assailment of numerous attacks and withheld from personal retorts completely. In one of her earlier books, "Slander," Coulter argues that liberals cannot debate without using personal insult as a tool, and Beinart certainly proved her point. She prevailed, in my opinion, as the classier of the two in her ability to maintain the purity of the debate without stooping to personally insult her fellow debater.

However, although Coulter was able to abstain from attacking Beinart, she was unable to debate without using vindictive commentary about others. In response to Beinart's factual discussion of Bill Clinton's presidency and what made it so great, she opened with a statement referring to Clinton as a "horny hick." Such spiteful and subjective comments brought laughter from the audience but did nothing to strengthen her opposing argument.

The lesson that both debaters desperately need to learn is that the very essence of debate is objectivity. The purpose of debate is to match facts, reason, and logic to find the ultimate truth that lies within the framework of the debate topic. It is not about who can coin the wittiest one-liners or appeal emotionally to the most people. It is certainly not about who can draw the most laughter or the loudest applause from the audience. The exchange between the two arguers was entertaining, but fell quite short of debate. The atmosphere in Cabot was that of a show, not a serious discussion.

What was most disappointing and indeed quite disturbing was the reaction of the Tufts audience. There was booing and shouting. Afterwards, I overheard a girl say that "people like her [Coulter] should not be allowed to write books," and the comment was received with emphatic agreement. Albeit a comment made in jest, the feeling of hatred in the debate room made it eerie and made my night walk home much darker.

Another girl made a profanity-laden statement that Coulter is a "neo-nazi." I would challenge her to think more carefully about what exactly neo-nazism entails, and when and where exactly Coulter has fit that highly offensive profile before being so boldly accusatory.

Finally, I heard Coulter referred to as a "nutcase" more than once. If that is true, then she is certainly a nutcase in high demand with several popular books, and one who can gracefully hold her own in a room full of hate.

Above all, this debate cast a shadow on my vision of America's political future. While I fully embrace the freedom of discourse and encourage it wholeheartedly, I believe these highly partisan debates can bring nothing but regression. They breed hate and further solidify political schisms. They make people cry out for censorship. They work in no way towards understanding. How much longer can America stand if its most educated citizens are so deeply divided by misunderstanding and hate?

Every great power has unknowingly induced its own demise. My fear is that Abraham Lincoln has already foreseen ours with his statement that "a house divided against itself cannot stand." My genuine plea to fellow believers in the human mind is to throw off self-righteous mantles of partisanship and to work instead towards a more progressive dialogue. Let us make Tufts a birthplace of objective communication in a world of such disarray. Objectivity is the human's only key to truth and provides the only framework within real progress can be sought.

I went home that night and tore my Bush-Cheney sticker off my door, and took my Bush "Taking America forward" pin off my bulletin board. I no longer consider myself a Republican, or even a conservative. From this day forward I choose the path of true progress. Consider me an objectivist.

Ashley Samelson is a sophomore who has yet to declare a major.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: beinart; campuscommies; coulter; dirtyrats; dropjournalism; filthyrats; peterbeinart; rats; sorelosers; tuftsaintharvard
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To: cibco

"Liberals don't like Ann Coulter because she plays by their rules."
Bingo!!! You nailed it!


Yes, indeed!


81 posted on 03/14/2005 8:59:31 PM PST by RBroadfoot
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To: speekinout
We haven't had such insights since Amy Carter, at 12, gave us her opinions on nuclear weapons.

Ah yes.... I remember it well... such an insightful 12 year old, so afeared of nuclear proliferation, even though Babwa Wawa couldn't pronounce it.... (and of course dutifully reported ad nauseum by the faithful press (including Babwa Wawa)... all the time... every day... all week.... )

82 posted on 03/14/2005 9:02:20 PM PST by NoCmpromiz (Ok, so it's really spelled 'Barbara Walters' but Babwa Wawa it stays..)
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To: cripplecreek
We've got a winner!!!

Was the writer truely conservative to begin with or is this the typical "I'm a lifelong republican.......but " shtick?

83 posted on 03/14/2005 9:04:43 PM PST by GOPJ (Liberals haven't had a new idea in 40 years.)
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To: rface
I no longer consider myself a Republican, or even a conservative.

Another idiot who would fault you for shooting the dog mauling her. The world is full of these self-righteous twits. The thing most important to them is the opportunity to advertise their moral superiority.

I have no use for them. They stab their friends in the back every time they have an audience that will aprove of it.

84 posted on 03/14/2005 9:07:01 PM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: jsmith48

I thought the same thing. Rand was much closer to Ann in content and demeanor than wishy washy lib.


85 posted on 03/14/2005 9:16:05 PM PST by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: Darkwolf377
My reaction was the same as that of Darkwolf. This chicklette never had a Bush-Cheney sticker on her door at Tufts - and probably no one else at Tufts did either.
86 posted on 03/14/2005 9:24:26 PM PST by Malesherbes
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To: rface

She's either very naive or very dishonest. If she's a sophomore now, she was about 6 or 7 when Clinton was elected President and 12 or 13 during the period when the Lewinsky scandal dominated the news...and probably being taught by teachers who idolized Clinton. What part of Coulter's gibe did she object to--the "horny" part or the "hick" part? Perhaps she was raised to see nothing objectionable about Clinton's sexual ethics.


87 posted on 03/14/2005 9:25:47 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: rface

"I went home that night and tore my Bush-Cheney sticker off my door, and took my Bush "Taking America forward" pin off my bulletin board. I no longer consider myself a Republican, or even a conservative. From this day forward I choose the path of true progress. Consider me an objectivist."

Oh, she's going to start reading Ayn Rand?

:-)


88 posted on 03/14/2005 9:25:51 PM PST by WOSG (Liberating Iraq - http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com)
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To: rface

Ann is too kind. I prefer to call Clinton a rapist bastard. He is both, you know. The rapist part is obvious, and his mom was impregnated by another man she apparently married before her divorce was final.


89 posted on 03/14/2005 9:32:07 PM PST by doug from upland (Ray Charles --- a great musician and safer driver than Ted Kennedy)
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To: rface

I think you all miss where this young woman is coming from. She wants a real dialog on issues, not the hardball crossfire shouting match of barbed tongues.

Admittedly, Coulter is better at the latter, and most Liberals don't have enough respect for conservatism PERIOD to have such a dialog.

But this naive Sophomore probably should be exposed to something better than various descriptions of Clinton, if she is to have a political education.

I frankly dont see why the rudeness of Tufts Liberals or Coulter's style should force her to take it out on Bush/Cheney.
it's as silly a OReilly saying he wont tell us who he's voting for because it would ruin his "objectivity". lol. nobody is objective.

But she's attempting to try to be 'objective' ie find her way - hopefully the Tufts environment wont warp her mind too much on the way out. I prescribe:

Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged" and

bastiat's the Law.


90 posted on 03/14/2005 9:32:26 PM PST by WOSG (Liberating Iraq - http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com)
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To: rface
Ashley Samelson is a sophomore who has yet to declare a major.
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She is sophomoric, and her major will obviously not be logic. To leave the party and conservative movement after hearing a debate is foolish. Many people changed after 9/11. A debate, Ashley dear, is not equivalent and life changing.

91 posted on 03/14/2005 9:34:40 PM PST by doug from upland (Coming soon -- YOU'VE BEEN FREEPED, Vol. 1.; Biden and Kennedy won't like it)
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To: rface

"I went home that night and tore my Bush-Cheney sticker off my door, and took my Bush 'Taking America forward' pin off my bulletin board. I no longer consider myself a Republican, or even a conservative."

Oh, puh-leeze. Wait a minute, I've got my tiny violin here somewhere....

Listen, I can't stand Ann Coulter. The woman is a loon, and the only thing she has going for her is a head of hair and a loud mouth. I gave up on her when I heard her say on Sean Hannity that we didn't need a two-party system at all; all we needed was one party and that was the Republicans. Sean tried to laugh it off but she was serious. There's a name for a one-party system, and I hope never to hear it applied to the USA.

That said, anyone who would change parties just because of one loudmouth idiot is probably an idiot herself.


92 posted on 03/14/2005 9:44:51 PM PST by Hetty_Fauxvert (http://sonoma-moderate.blogspot.com/)
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To: rface
I wonder why Beinart decided to get his butt kicked again by Ann? Last October they were on Book TV debating the election. She wiped the floor with him.
93 posted on 03/14/2005 9:47:15 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (Witty tag line on back order.)
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To: Chu Gary

"Dimocrat Party is in an accelerating death spiral, should impact the ground in about 6 - 8 months."

DhimmocRat Party

you left out a few important letters

probably in a hurry


94 posted on 03/14/2005 9:51:27 PM PST by kralcmot (my tagline is lost, if found please return it to my home page)
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To: rface
I went home that night and tore my Bush-Cheney sticker off my door..

The fact that a Bush-Cheney sticker lasted on any door in any kollege for more than 36 minutes (unless it was on the inside) is astonishing. The fact that it lasted until March before a republican took it off is a miracle.

95 posted on 03/14/2005 10:02:48 PM PST by Captainpaintball
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To: rface

Yeah, they're real "objective" about Nixon.


96 posted on 03/14/2005 10:05:42 PM PST by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: rface

Who won the damn debate?


98 posted on 03/14/2005 10:29:53 PM PST by need_a_screen_name
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To: rface

Ashley Samelson should intern with Maureen Dowd to hone her faking skills.


99 posted on 03/14/2005 10:36:40 PM PST by citizencon
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To: Tiemieshooz
"Ann is old enough to be my mom, I think, but geez, she's so hot."

You have good taste.

Ann is old enough to be my Granddaughter and she is very hot.
100 posted on 03/14/2005 10:49:53 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (When you compromise with evil, evil wins. AYN RAND)
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