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1 posted on 03/14/2005 12:16:47 PM PST by Dont Mention the War
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No, it will be voted on, then the judges can't touch it.

The degenerates keep digging themselves a deeper ditch.


149 posted on 03/14/2005 2:24:04 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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A lowly city/county judge? His ruling will most definately be overturned as it moves higher up the chain.


186 posted on 03/14/2005 3:08:31 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (You have a //cuckoo// God given right //Yeeeahrgh!!// to be an //Hello?// atheist)
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Just goes to show that the liberals and communists in our past administrations have done their job well.

It just goes to show that the will of the people can be shot down by the courts. It's no longer, "For the People, by the People" it's more like "For the People, By the Courts!"

187 posted on 03/14/2005 3:12:40 PM PST by pctech
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Another larger then thou egotistical Judge trying to rule the world
from the bench. *&%^ sucking maggots.
196 posted on 03/14/2005 3:23:39 PM PST by MaxMax (GOD BLESS AMERICA)
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But of course. Nobody can be surprised at this. It's the way things work. 10 million people vote one way, a single judge says something else and the judges win every time because the ten miilion people let them.


226 posted on 03/14/2005 4:06:32 PM PST by jwalsh07
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More BS from the land of fruits and nuts...


229 posted on 03/14/2005 4:13:49 PM PST by RasterMaster (Saddam's family were WMD's - He's behind bars & his sons are DEAD!)
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I'm not surprised, and the sooner the public realizes that passing these amendments banning gay marriage are not going to prevent judges from overstepping their authority the better.

This is the main reason I support a constitutional amendment, though obviously the judges have taken to disobeying the constitution as they see fit as well.

Best solution is to limit the power of the judiciary AND start impeaching judges that do not uphold their oath.


269 posted on 03/14/2005 5:05:20 PM PST by Soul Seeker
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OK, time to go nuclear, so it's time for the AW Geez Guy!

Aw Geez Guy
276 posted on 03/14/2005 5:19:03 PM PST by Nowhere Man ("Borders, Language, Culture!" - Michael Savage)
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PLEASE PLEASE SOMEBODY EXPLAIN TO ME: How can someone who wants a constitutional amendment making only opposite-sex marriage legal take issue with judges who find that it is presently unconstitutional to ban same-sex people from marrying?

(P.S. I been having problems with this but no one answers me logically, they just saw how they feel about it. What I want to know is how the two things above can be logically consistent.)

Thanks. There gotta be some lawyers around to take this one.


302 posted on 03/14/2005 5:58:51 PM PST by Rambler7
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State Surperior Court in liberal San Faggotsco. No surprise here. I'll be surprised if it holds up on appeal but you never know. As California goes, so goes the nation. Sodomachusetts is a Blue State pgymy no one pays attention to but a state that's the most populous in the country... well they do sit up and take notice. Thank heaven its a state issue. I know if it were in federal court here our Nine Circus and Blue State SCOTUS would be rushing ahead to get same sex marriage in place ASAP. The will of the voters be damned.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
304 posted on 03/14/2005 6:03:15 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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One judge trying to subvert and overturn democracy. It sounds like he should be impeached, removed from office, and publicly shamed for his malfeasance.


332 posted on 03/14/2005 6:35:00 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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there is a poll up on aols fron tp age right now and as of 11 pm eastern tiem the reults are

What legal status do you support for gay couples?

Marriage 41%

None 36%

Civil unions 23%

Total Votes: 72,500

366 posted on 03/14/2005 8:15:40 PM PST by freepatriot32 (Jacques Chirac and Kofi Annan, a pantomime horse in which both men are playing the rear end. M.Steyn)
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376 posted on 03/14/2005 9:03:43 PM PST by sweetliberty ("To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it.")
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FNC: California law banning gay marriage is unconstitutional at odds with the Humanist Manifesto and must be repealed.
379 posted on 03/14/2005 10:32:29 PM PST by Lexinom
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Rose Bird.

This judge deserves the same treatment.
When does he come up for re-approval before the people again?

382 posted on 03/14/2005 11:45:41 PM PST by TeleStraightShooter (USMC: Putting MMoore's "MinuteMen", the Fallujah Snuff Video Productions, Out Of Business)
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Yow!

The gays nearly hijacked this thread. 8-)

Re Judge Kramer:

Confucius say: Gay judge make gay rulings.

Remember this one?: Did you hear about the two queer judges? They tried each other! :-0

To the gay posters: Despite all your careful and self-serving reasonings, you cannot get past the word "marriage".

As has been mentioned often in this thread, marriage is an instutition, developed for good reasons over thousands of years all over the world. It is a respected institution by the entire world, except for homosexual activists.

Thus, you will never get support for your cause by those who believe in, and have lived their lives by, the institution of marriage.

Gay rights is not an institution. Its political history basically goes back to the Mattachine Society and later to Act Up. The rest of the gays stayed in the closet, because they felt despised by straight society. They were right to feel that. Public knowledge of gay activity came from police department arrests made in public restrooms, and observing the glory holes and the disgusting loiterers on occasion.

The reality is that your "institution" and the institution of marriage are mutually exclusive. What you want, you can't have, because you don't qualify.

Try as you might, you cannot separate your homosexuality from you being a "gay" human being who just wants to be equal. We both know that the majority of gays believe the "marriage" issue should not be a part of the "equality" argument.

Many do, as do I, agree that a civil union type of arrangement would work best. Two people in love should be able to have an official, sanctioned relationship, with full (AFAP) rights and privileges. But not, IMO and that of more than just a few others, if you insist on calling it "marriage".

Fighting for marriage rights wrecked the gay movement in this last election. Judge Kramer's decision has about the same effect as the SF mayor's did. Kramer's decision was a no-risk popularity grab to enhance his support with SF's large gay community.


386 posted on 03/15/2005 4:18:19 AM PST by Randy Papadoo (Not going so good? Just kick somebody's a$$. You'll feel a lot better!)
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Keeping this in its proper context:

It is not unusual for the news media to make such a big deal out of nothing -especially if the nothing is like a train wreck and sensationally homosexual in nature.

This news being trumpeted around the world is actually insignificant as the court ruling does nothing substantive toward advancing the cause to legitimate the illegitimate and will not stop the inevitable California constitutional ban or Federal Constitutional ban.

Activist Judge Richard Kramer said the state's historical definition of marriage cannot justify the denial of marriage licenses for homosexual couples. -shocking!

His ruling was in response to lawsuits filed last March by the city of San Francisco and several homosexual activist groups after the state supreme court stopped city officials from illegally issuing 'marriage' licenses to homosexuals. This Judge has now decided the existing California law that Mayor Gavin Newsome and his fellow homosexual activists defiantly violated is now suddenly unconstitutional?

Regardless of all the hype -this is just a bump in the road for Californians that are working to ban all homosexual 'unions' -this bump will likely embolden the banning effort further. A pair of bills now before the California legislature will put a constitutional amendment banning homosexual 'marriage' on the November ballot, which will put the issue out of the control of lawmakers and the courts.

411 posted on 03/15/2005 9:31:10 AM PST by DBeers
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Hmmm, San francisco?


Anyone wanna bet the judge is a bit limp wristed?


412 posted on 03/15/2005 10:05:56 AM PST by trubluolyguy ("You think that's tough, try losing a testicle in a knife fight with your mother")
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They are nimcompoops on the simple basis that anyone can get into a contract with anyone else. There is not the question. The question is the idea of a special commitment for child rearing and nation building, beyond the lives of individuals, through marriage. There is no such commitment existing in "crime scene" like evidence between people of the same sex. It is not their functions. Their "commitments" is purely carnal in basis.

Gay marriage is treason, pure and simple, and to make that constitutional is next to kin to legal terrorism.


432 posted on 03/15/2005 5:52:43 PM PST by JudgemAll (Condemn me, make me naked and kill me, or be silent for ever on my gun ownership and law enforcement)
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