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1 posted on 03/14/2005 12:16:47 PM PST by Dont Mention the War
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State or Federal ruling?


2 posted on 03/14/2005 12:18:11 PM PST by pierrem15
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I think we can recall Superior Court judges, just like Gray Davis. Let's go to it!


3 posted on 03/14/2005 12:18:21 PM PST by Defiant (This tagline has targeted 10 journalists intentionally, that I personally know of.)
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Says who? The illustrious Ninth Circuit?


4 posted on 03/14/2005 12:18:21 PM PST by katieanna (Fear Not. Believe Only.)
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How?


5 posted on 03/14/2005 12:18:21 PM PST by demlosers (We win. They lose. USA number 1 ! IYAAYAS !)
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9th Circus?


7 posted on 03/14/2005 12:19:10 PM PST by gopwinsin04
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Mar 14, 3:17 PM EST

Judge finds California's marriage law unconstitutional

By LISA LEFF
Associated Press Writer

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- A judge ruled Monday that California can no longer justify limiting marriage to a man and a woman, a legal milestone that if upheld on appeal would pave the way for the nation's most populous state to follow Massachusetts in allowing same-sex couples to wed.

In an opinion that had been awaited because of San Francisco's historical role as a gay rights battleground, San Francisco County Superior Court Judge Richard Kramer said that withholding marriage licenses from gays and lesbians is unconstitutional.

"It appears that no rational purpose exists for limiting marriage in this state to opposite-sex partners," Kramer wrote.

The judge wrote that the state's historical definition of marriage, by itself, cannot justify the unconstitutional denial of equal protection for gays and lesbians and their right to marry.

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"The state's protracted denial of equal protection cannot be justified simply because such constitutional violation has become traditional," Kramer wrote.

Kramer's decision came in a pair of lawsuits seeking to overturn California's statutory ban on gay marriage. They were brought by the city of San Francisco and a dozen same-sex couples last March, after the California Supreme Court halted the four-week marriage spree Mayor Gavin Newsom had initiated when he directed city officials to issue marriage licenses to gays and lesbians in defiance of state law.

It could be months or years, however, before the state actually sanctions same-sex marriage, if it sanctions the unions at all. Two legal groups representing religious conservatives joined with California's attorney general in defending the existing laws.

Robert Tyler, an attorney with the conservative Alliance Defense Fund, said the group would appeal Kramer's ruling.

Attorney General Bill Lockyer has said in the past that he expected the matter eventually would have to be settled by the California Supreme Court.


8 posted on 03/14/2005 12:19:28 PM PST by So Cal Rocket (Proud Member: Internet Pajama Wearers for Truth)
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He apparently based it on the State Constitution's equal protection clause, in an effort to avoid federal review.


9 posted on 03/14/2005 12:19:29 PM PST by Defiant (This tagline has targeted 10 journalists intentionally, that I personally know of.)
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Let me guess, the 9th circus?


10 posted on 03/14/2005 12:19:38 PM PST by OXENinFLA
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Well, I certainly didnt expect Missouri or Georgia to be the first state to say this. LOL


11 posted on 03/14/2005 12:19:38 PM PST by smith288 (The GOP, Ditech of politics... "lost another one to GOP" - Howard dean)
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This is terrible. But it's not suprising.

The world's just going to get worse and worse. We need to just win as many people to Christ as we can.


17 posted on 03/14/2005 12:22:24 PM PST by wk4bush2004
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california is sooo wacked. its unconstitutional to prevent same sex marriage... but just try to light up a ciggerette on the beach... LOL!


21 posted on 03/14/2005 12:26:00 PM PST by beansox
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Another ruling from the very unfunny clowns at the ninth circus


28 posted on 03/14/2005 12:30:00 PM PST by tophat9000 (We didn’t rise they sunk look at the blue, water filled, sink holes map (Mike Moore Fatass divots ?)
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hell in a hand basket


30 posted on 03/14/2005 12:30:31 PM PST by 4everontheRight ( "I'm learning to dread one day at a time" --- Charlie Brown)
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How can something that is in the state constitution be ruled unconstitutional? Idiocy....


34 posted on 03/14/2005 12:31:51 PM PST by dmanLA
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This will help to force the issue to the USSC or the states.


37 posted on 03/14/2005 12:34:58 PM PST by shellshocked (They're undocumented Border Patrol agents, not vigilantes.)
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Lets see, the people "vote" and the courts over-rule our votes? Hmmmmmmmmm

Can you spell T-E-A P-A-R-T-Y?

Throw them overboard!!


43 posted on 03/14/2005 12:37:12 PM PST by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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WAAAAAHHH! AAH'M A VIIICTIIIM!!!!!

Renee Mangrum, right, and Mara Williams, who wed in February, rally in support of gay marriage in San Francisco, Aug. 12, 2004. (AP Photo/Noah Berger)
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Renee Mangrum, right, and Mara Williams, who wed in February, rally in support of gay marriage in San Francisco, Aug. 12, 2004. (AP Photo/Noah Berger)


44 posted on 03/14/2005 12:38:23 PM PST by Alouette (Learned Mother of Zion)
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Did the Judge ALSO approve marriages of live people with dead people or marriages of human people with domestic animal people?


46 posted on 03/14/2005 12:39:52 PM PST by pfony1
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Did the judge impose a remedy or is that stayed pending appeal? Will there be gay marriages in Calif. until the Ca. supremes get around to hearing the case?


53 posted on 03/14/2005 12:42:07 PM PST by nyg4168
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The argument over the denial of rights based on sex is an interesting one. In federal jurisprudence we never amended the constitution to provide "equal rights" regardless of sex (the ERA). This might be the only thing preventing same-sex marriage now.

Because it is clear that if a PERSON can marry a woman, the ERA would have prohibited discrimination based on the SEX of the person that could marry a woman.

Since we didn't pass the ERA, we are still able to discriminate between sexes.

Note that the current law does not in any way discriminate against gay and lesbian people. Every person, regardless of their sexual preferences, is free to marry any person of the opposite sex.

On the other hand, the constitution does not give anybody the constitutional right to marry the person they are attracted to (otherwise we would have to allow polygamy and half the population of this board would apparently be married to Ann Coulter :->).


55 posted on 03/14/2005 12:43:50 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT (http://spaces.msn.com/members/criticallythinking)
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