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Gun enthusiasts push public school training
eastvalleytribune.com ^ | 3 14 05 | Le Templar

Posted on 03/14/2005 2:26:44 AM PST by freepatriot32

Jonathan Dean, 12, yanks on the action slide to load the 20-gauge shotgun, then sights down the length of the barrel. "Pull," he calls softly.

The 5-2, 104-pound boy barely flinches as the shotgun recoils against his right shoulder. He’s found his mark: The 4-inch clay disc shatters in the darkening sky of the East Valley.

Jonathan is smaller and has less experience than many of the 118 boys and girls who attend statesponsored shotgun training at the Red Mountain Trap and Skeet club just north of Mesa.

But he’s already thrilled with the experience, and looking forward to a possible hunting trip later this year.

There’s only one downside to attending the program at 6 p.m. every other Thursday.

"It kind of interferes with my homework," says Jonathan, a student at Mesa’s Poston Junior High School.

Gun-rights advocates say they have the answer to Jonathan’s problem. They want public schools to teach students how to use shotguns and rifles. With the help of Arizona Game and Fish officials, firearms enthusiasts have been quietly shepherding a bill through the Legislature that would encourage schools to offer a semesterlong elective, combining the use of laser replicas on campus and field trips to shooting ranges.

Landis Aden, a lobbyist for the Arizona State Rifle and Pistol Association, said the class would teach children safe ways to deal with the kinds of weapons he says are found in up to half of Arizona households.

"It’s a tool, it’s an implement, just like power tools or saws or screwdrivers," Aden said. "Different tools for different jobs, obviously. Once you take the black magic out of it or the forbidden object thing out of it, the temptation to fool with it will lessen quite a bit."

But some gun control advocates and public health experts are shocked lawmakers are considering such a policy.

A decade of school shootings climaxed by the killings at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colo., has prompted rigid crackdowns that lead to suspensions for bringing even a water pistol to class.

Dr. Mary Rimsza, who heads the statewide Child Fatality Review Program, said all available scientific research indicates there’s no "safe" way for schools to teach children about guns.

"Handling guns safely are the responsibility of adults, not the child," said Rimsza, a medical doctor and research professor of health management and policy at Arizona State University. "Any of these educational programs really are moving the responsibility to the child."

In the past, rifle and pistol clubs were common on high school campuses. But they disappeared as urban areas expanded and high school violence exploded on the public’s conscience.

Arizona law allows schools to offer firearms safety training for children 10 and older. But in the East Valley, only Apache Junction does so and that’s a program that focuses on urging children to avoid guns and asks their parents to keep weapons out of reach.

Parents can also enroll children in 20-hour hunter education classes. But that program attracts a relatively small percentage of the state’s students.

So Laden and Alan Korwin of Scottsdale, an author of books about gun laws, crafted a bill to encourage schools to introduce rifles and shotguns to their students.

While advocates talk about gun safety, the bill also has a political angle. The voluntary class would have to include instruction on the value of the Second Amendment and the gun-rights clause in the state constitution.

"I’d be particularly pleased if schools would choose to have this program because it really does talk about the role of firearms to preserve peace and freedom and the constitutional roots of the right to keep and bear arms," said Sen. Karen Johnson, R-Mesa, the bill’s lead sponsor.

Laden and other supporters said they didn’t work with any education officials while drafting the bill. Several East Valley school districts appeared to be baffled by the idea last week.

"We tend to focus our precious class time on the state standards," said Kathy Bareiss, spokeswoman for the Mesa Unified School District. "I can’t say if this would be included without more information."

But Game and Fish officials believe there would be a groundswell of interest if the bill passes.

When Jonathan Dean’s after-school shooting program — Scholarship Clay Target — started in September, state officials expected only about 125 kids to register in the first year.

The program already has grown to more than 500 members and more shooting ranges around the state will be added in the coming months.

Don Winslow, chief of the Game and Fish education division, said a similar program would fit into a school’s mission because rifle shooting is an Olympic sport and some universities offer full-ride scholarships to top marksmen.

But critics said children have little impulse control and a sense of invincibility that means more exposure to firearms will invite more trouble.

"There has been nothing developed so far that has been shown to be safe for children to be ‘educated’ in that fashion with guns," said Hildy Saizow, president of Valley-based Arizonans for Gun Safety.

Contact Le Templar by email ltemplar@aztrib.com , or phone (602) 542-5813


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But some gun control advocates(read pants wetting weenies probably of french ancestry) and public health experts(read paid whores to whoever gives them the most money to rig scientific studys) are shocked lawmakers are considering such a policy.
1 posted on 03/14/2005 2:26:45 AM PST by freepatriot32
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To: Joe Brower; Born Conservative

possible story for your ping lists


2 posted on 03/14/2005 2:31:11 AM PST by freepatriot32 (Jacques Chirac and Kofi Annan, a pantomime horse in which both men are playing the rear end. M.Steyn)
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To: freepatriot32

This is great. Every child in America should be fully educated and trained in the use of firearms - it's our national heritage.


3 posted on 03/14/2005 2:34:34 AM PST by thoughtomator (Sick already of premature speculation on the 2008 race)
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To: freepatriot32; All
Danielle Abbott, a volunteer shotgun instructor, keeps an eye on Jonathan Dean, 12, as he aims for a target Thursday at Red Mountain Trap and Skeet north of Mesa. Heidi Huber Tribune
4 posted on 03/14/2005 2:41:08 AM PST by freepatriot32 (Jacques Chirac and Kofi Annan, a pantomime horse in which both men are playing the rear end. M.Steyn)
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To: thoughtomator

Our kids are. Our eldest son is terrific on the skeet range. Our daughter is one hell of a pistol shooter with her new Sig P232 that I gave her for Christmas (that's what Dads are for... right?) LOL


5 posted on 03/14/2005 2:43:36 AM PST by Cobra64 (Babes should wear Bullet Bras - www.BulletBras.net)
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To: freepatriot32

That's the way it use to be.


6 posted on 03/14/2005 3:02:49 AM PST by quietolong
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To: kenth; CatoRenasci; Marie; PureSolace; Congressman Billybob; P.O.E.; cupcakes; Amelia; Diana; ...

7 posted on 03/14/2005 3:21:47 AM PST by Born Conservative ("Mr. Chamberlain loves the working man, he loves to see him work" - Winston Churchill)
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To: freepatriot32

Oh jeeze. With phrases like "yanks the action slide" and "barely flinches" the author obviously knows little about guns or shooting and probably has a negative bias.

The gun control advocates say there is "no safe way to teach children about guns." But the social "engineers" say good to teach children about safe sex.


8 posted on 03/14/2005 3:35:42 AM PST by CPOSharky (You are born cold, wet, and hungry. Things get worse, then you die.)
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To: freepatriot32
BUMP!!!
9 posted on 03/14/2005 3:39:46 AM PST by Robert Drobot (God, family, country. All else is meaningless.)
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To: freepatriot32

"But some gun control advocates(read pants wetting weenies probably of french ancestry)"

Heh, heh.

'Poster Mom' for Gun Control Arrested on Gun Charges
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1354115/posts


10 posted on 03/14/2005 3:46:02 AM PST by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: freepatriot32; Eaker; Flyer; TheMom; Squantos; glock rocks

Cool!


11 posted on 03/14/2005 4:08:44 AM PST by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner
"Handling guns safely are the responsibility of adults, not the child," said Rimsza, a medical doctor and research professor of health management and policy at Arizona State University.

I guess we who started shooting at age 8 exhibit evidence to the contrary, eh Doc? Perhaps while you're at the University, you should focus on grammar or something of use.

12 posted on 03/14/2005 4:26:03 AM PST by glock rocks (WYGIWYG)
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To: freepatriot32

By the time I was eleven (maybe it was 10) I could do the Manual of Arms (I had this neat '03 Springfield 'training' Rifle). And 45 years later all my guns have killed less people than Ted Kennedy's car.


13 posted on 03/14/2005 4:33:26 AM PST by Condor51 (Leftists are moral and intellectual parasites - Standing Wolf)
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To: quietolong

Indeed it was the way it used to be. My Jr. High science teacher gave NRA sponsored hunter safety training over lunch at San Luis Obispo (CA) Jr. High, including bringing in his CMP Garand. I still have (and use) the certificate. I used to go to the shooting range in the basement of Mission School in San Luis Obispo to shoot .22 (short) rifles with my friend Kelly. My point in bring this up is not nostalgia, we ought to remember that it can (and in my opinion) should be again. I'd suggest we teach gun safety in all our schools, and marksmanship in high school. My 2 cents.


14 posted on 03/14/2005 4:47:41 AM PST by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: humblegunner
the bill also has a political angle. The voluntary class would have to include instruction on the value of the Second Amendment

Teaching the Constitution is a political angle?

15 posted on 03/14/2005 4:51:18 AM PST by Flyer (That flight attendant is not missing playing below the bridge at this exact moment)
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To: freepatriot32
Dr. Mary Rimsza, who heads the statewide Child Fatality Review Program, said all available scientific research indicates there’s no "safe" way for schools to teach children about guns.

Leftist, gun control BS. There was a time, decades ago, when schools taught that very subject . . . . and even had shooting clubs. Safety was stressed and kids were taught to respect the waepon.

Gun crimes and gun deaths rose dramatically when the schools decided that gun safety was NOT something they should be teaching.

Liberal policies at work - to the detriment of America.

Again.
16 posted on 03/14/2005 4:52:12 AM PST by DustyMoment (Repeal CFR NOW!!)
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To: freepatriot32
But some gun control advocates and public health experts are shocked lawmakers are considering such a policy.

Dr. Mary Rimsza, who heads the statewide Child Fatality Review Program, said all available scientific research indicates there’s no "safe" way for schools to teach children about guns.

"Handling guns safely are the responsibility of adults, not the child," said Rimsza, a medical doctor and research professor of health management and policy at Arizona State University. "Any of these educational programs really are moving the responsibility to the child."

Right... Shooting teams used to be pretty common and many high schools. And there didn't seem to be any problem teaching safety back then.

Funny how the same people who spout this nonsense about how there's no way that schools should teach children about the proper and safe handling of guns are also the ones most likely to demand the most explicit sorts of sex education, since something that important can't just be left up to the parents!

Given this line of thought, no kids in school should ever take shop classes as well, since power tools are also quite dangerous, and "should only be handled by adults."

Mark

17 posted on 03/14/2005 4:57:27 AM PST by MarkL (That which does not kill me, has made the last mistake it will ever make!)
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To: DustyMoment

Kids were taught safety and respect, we just couldn't have that now could we? /sarcasm The real deal with marksmanship (and gun safety training in general) is that it must be done in an environment where the adults are in charge. It is led, not self-directed. Kids MUST, for their survival, model the adults, not their peers. These characteristics make it incredibly frightening to your garden variety liberal (aka your typical education school graduate).


18 posted on 03/14/2005 5:37:02 AM PST by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: freepatriot32; humblegunner; King Prout
Teaching them the old fashion way.
19 posted on 03/14/2005 5:40:15 AM PST by Eaker (stop and kick dirt on these n00bs actin like b00bs.......:o) - Squantos 18-Feb-05 -)
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To: freepatriot32
I had a gun-safety class in seventh grade (part of the "Health" curriculum). It was very worthwhile and gave us a respect for guns (which is very healthy).

Of course, it was redundant to what I had learned earlier in Boy Scouts ;-).

20 posted on 03/14/2005 5:41:01 AM PST by twntaipan (demonRATs: If you can't win at the ballot box, use the power of an imperial judiciary!)
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