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In Battle of Mutual Hostility, U.S. Is Outmatched by France
The New York Times ^ | March 14, 2005 | Edward Rothstein

Posted on 03/13/2005 10:58:01 PM PST by Righty_McRight

American Francophobia is not all it's cracked up to be. Actually it's not even a phobia. It is more like an expression of extreme distaste or disgust. Its character is evident in the invention of "Freedom Fries" or in the pouring of Bordeaux wine into sewers. It is theatrical and demonstrative. It tends toward ridicule. And usually it reacts to something very specific: it has a news peg.

The latest peg was France's opposition to United States policies in Iraq. And repercussions from that confrontation are likely to overwhelm any partial reconciliations. They have already inspired a series of books critical of France, the most recent by American journalists who have lived there.

In "Vile France: Fear, Duplicity, Cowardice and Cheese" (Encounter Books), for example, Denis Boyles sends off dispatches dripping in sarcasm about a country that, in his telling, let 15,000 of its elderly die in the heat wave of August 2003 as their relatives refused to cut short their summer vacations, surreptitiously dispatched arms to Iraq during the years of United Nations sanctions and the corrupt Oil for Food program, and readily exercises unilateral power when it prefers (in Ivory Coast) while condemning any hint of it elsewhere.

A forthcoming book, "The Arrogance of the French: Why They Can't Stand Us - And Why the Feeling Is Mutual" (Sentinel), by Richard Z. Chesnoff, is less concerned with argument than with sentiment. But it ends with a list of French products to boycott, for those so inclined, and includes some French phrases the savvy American tourist might find handy when faced with French hauteur and hostility. ("Please be polite," is the translation of one, "we didn't raise pigs together.")

The accumulated evidence of France's flaws can be compelling, but what pale stuff this is compared with Francophobia's French counterpart! Next month, the University of Chicago Press will publish a book that attracted much attention when it first appeared in France, in 2002: "The American Enemy: The History of French Anti-Americanism" by Philippe Roger (the translation is by Sharon Bowman).

Mr. Roger, who teaches at the École des Hautes Études en Sciences Sociales in Paris, almost single-handedly creates a new field of study, tracing the nuances and imagery of anti-Americanism in France over 250 years. He shows that far from being a specific reaction to recent American policies, it has been knit into the very substance of French intellectual and cultural life.

While American Francophobia can seem transient, news oriented, associated with the political right and theatrical in character, French anti-Americanism - like a venerable Old World tradition - reaches far and deep. It is championed by both the left and right. And over its long evolutionary course, various scientific, philosophical, political, social and racial justifications have been offered. Mr. Roger suggests that its convictions are so fundamental that they are barely recognized, and they are spreading.

Mr. Roger does not debate whether or not particular manifestations of anti-Americanism are justified or unjustified. Mostly, he seems to think them unjustified, but that doesn't matter: anti-Americanism is not the result of perceptions, rather, it determines them. Nor is he interested in counterexamples like Lafayette or Tocqueville except if they shed light on his theme. He points out, for example, that Tocqueville's classic dissection of democracy in 19th-century America was widely criticized for portraying a "sugar-coated America." "In its repetition and perpetuation," Mr. Roger writes, "French anti-Americanism must be analyzed as a tradition." It is, he suggests, a "discourse," a way of thinking and speaking about the world that has its own premises and logic.

Before the founding of the United States, for example, one reaction to the Romantic idealization of the New World came in a series of scientific studies of the continent's plant and animal life. In 1768, the naturalist Cornelius De Pauw called America a "vast and sterile desert" whose climate nurtured "astonishingly idiotic" men. The natural historian Buffon claimed that its animals were stunted miniatures of their Old World counterparts. These assertions were so widely believed in France that Thomas Jefferson devoted considerable energy to their refutation.

Naturalism's hostility then gave way to social condescension from both royalists and republicans.

Scorn of America became a literary trope. In Balzac's novels, Mr. Roger points out, it is the "good-for-nothings" who go to America. In Stendhal's novels, various characters' disdain for the United States and what one calls the "culture of the god dollar" seem to echo the author's own convictions.

Mr. Roger argues that during the Civil War, many in French society hoped that the South would be victorious partly because it would provide more opportunities for French power. But the war was also seen as a racial battle between Anglo-Saxons in the North and Latins - almost Franco-Latins - in the South. For France, the Civil War replicated the larger power struggle it was confronting in Europe.

By the end of the 19th century, French writers also began to fear American power. One writer referred to Uncle Sam as "Oncle Shylock," resonantly adding anti-Semitism into the mix. In the 20th century, French politicians blamed the United States for joining the First World War too late, then for insisting that France repay its debts.

Intellectuals like Sartre credited the Soviet Union with winning the Second World War and said that England and the United States invaded just to get in on the victory. After the war, Mr. Roger writes, "what was left to defend in France? Frenchness."

Mr. Roger does not fully explain the reasons for an antipathy so far out of proportion to any nation's flaws, but his book stuns with its accumulated detail and analysis. Addressing his French readers, Mr. Roger argues that through this obsessive anti-American discourse, "we are shackled, unbeknownst to ourselves, to a whole past of repugnance and repulsions."

With such a past, how can America's contribution to this confrontation hope to compete?


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: cary; france; freedomfries; frenchboycott; frogs; us
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1 posted on 03/13/2005 10:58:02 PM PST by Righty_McRight
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To: Righty_McRight
Nice article. Phuque france.

Nam Vet

2 posted on 03/13/2005 11:05:54 PM PST by Nam Vet (MSM reporters think the MOIST dream they had the night before is a "reliable source".)
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To: Righty_McRight

I can't wait for the summer tourist season. When I hear that disgusting language being spoken in a local restaurant I plan to make rude noises of numerous sorts and ask for my table to be changed.


3 posted on 03/13/2005 11:12:49 PM PST by NaughtiusMaximus (Progressives are just liberals with an Earl Scheib paintjob.)
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To: Righty_McRight

Unusually good article for any publication, but shockingly so in the case of the New York Times. Thanks for the post.


4 posted on 03/13/2005 11:15:17 PM PST by TheMole
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To: Righty_McRight
Actually it's not even a phobia. It is more like an expression of extreme distaste or disgust

Actually, it's not distaste or disgust, either. In fact, it's.... nothing. All that "freedom fries" stuff was just an amusing joke. America has already re-forgotten that France even exists. This "confrontation" the writer has concocted is entirely one-sided - - Americans really don't give a rat's behind about France. France is little more than an annoying housefly.... presently on the other side of the screen door.

5 posted on 03/13/2005 11:18:18 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Righty_McRight
Sartre had a lot of room to talk. As a communist he was all for Hitler until the latter invaded the Soviet Union, and once it was obvious the war was to be won by the Allies he suddenly became a "resistance fighter" although no one ever saw him lift anything heavier than a cigarette in the defense of La Belle France.
6 posted on 03/13/2005 11:20:05 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Lancey Howard
You hit it. France jumps up and down, thinking they are hurting Americans' feelings.

Other than my neighbors in Cambridge, Americans' reaction to all this noise is the reaction that infuriates France most: We don't care. We have more important things to worry about than France's opinion of us. Like...anything.

7 posted on 03/13/2005 11:23:21 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (UAW disses USMC http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0503/13/C01-115531.htm)
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To: Righty_McRight

My last face to face encounter with the French was with three young French ladies visiting here.

In one of my conversations with them they informed me (they all agreed on this) that the problem with Americans was our lack of culture in general, and specifically how we didn't care about the REALLY important things in life like good haircuts. No, I'm not making this up. They all believed that if Americans would give a much higher priority in time and money to clothing fashion and especially to hairstyles we would be a lot better off and looked upon with more acceptance by the rest of the world.

At first I thought they were being sarcastic, but when I started laughing at the "joke" they got resentful that I hurt their feelings.

I have since held hope that this attitude was not really representative of the French but just these three snobs, although there seems to be considerable evidence that I'm wrong about that, too.


8 posted on 03/13/2005 11:25:28 PM PST by spinestein
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To: Righty_McRight

Current french anti-Americanism can be summed up in 2 words:

Penis Envy


9 posted on 03/13/2005 11:54:25 PM PST by TheLooseThread
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To: NaughtiusMaximus

"When I hear that disgusting language being spoken..."


No need for that, the french's tell-tale disgusting SMELL from lack of basic hygiene will be the clue.


10 posted on 03/14/2005 12:03:59 AM PST by no_mm ("Give War a Chance." - Michael Savage)
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To: spinestein
Regardless of that story that you told of those 3 ladies, I still regard the La FRENCHIES as a bunch of self centered, stuck up egotistical sissy snobs.
11 posted on 03/14/2005 12:04:10 AM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: NaughtiusMaximus

You plan to be rude to the French Tourists?
Well, pin a rose on your nose. Do you really think that will show them how wonderful Americans are?


12 posted on 03/14/2005 12:07:49 AM PST by Walkenfree (Bad can get worse & good can get better.)
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To: spinestein

HA HA HA...you sir get my vote for best post of the day!

i mena, cmon, you coulld not make this stuff up! and if you did no one would believe it...


14 posted on 03/14/2005 1:06:07 AM PST by Irishguy (How do ya LIKE THOSE APPLES!!!! HUH)
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To: Righty_McRight

Ever wonder how much alike the french and liberal democrats are?

No matter what Bush does the dummieCrats HATE President Bush and blame America first, last, and everytime, for anything, anywhere, and at anytime.

No matter what Bush does the french HATE President Bush, and blame America first, last, and everytime, for anything, anywhere, and at anytime.

This must be a socialist thing, and I just don't understand! THANK GOD.


15 posted on 03/14/2005 1:44:52 AM PST by standing united (The second amendment does not stand for the right to hunt, but to over throw a corrupt Gov.)
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To: TheLooseThread

The french are indignant that they don't matter. And they are bellicose because America doesn't care that the french don't matter.


16 posted on 03/14/2005 1:50:33 AM PST by blanknoone (Steyn: "The Dems are all exit and no strategy")
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To: spinestein
My last face to face encounter with the French was with three young French ladies visiting here.

For a moment I thought your post was a Letter to Penthouse!

17 posted on 03/14/2005 2:25:10 AM PST by Restorer
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To: TheLooseThread

"Penis Envy"

LOL! This is no joke - a client in the condom manufacturing business was telling me that there are different sizes for different countries. I said "Let me guess, the French get the small ones." True!


18 posted on 03/14/2005 2:26:12 AM PST by G.Love (Senate majority - use it or lose it.)
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To: Righty_McRight

Ah, the good ol' "but, but they're doing it too !" defense, so useful for modern nations facing the challenges of the 21st century...


19 posted on 03/14/2005 2:47:01 AM PST by Atlantic Friend
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To: Righty_McRight
Also from the article...


Sentinel
Richard Z. Chesnoff's forthcoming
book ends with a list of French
products to boycott.

20 posted on 03/14/2005 3:26:16 AM PST by Pharmboy ("Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God")
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