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To: Lando Lincoln
The notion that an atheist can claim moral indignation is laughable.

All morality stems originally from a belief in God. America based its entire belief that we have a right to declare our liberty from England on a belief in God.

An atheist actually believes that all human life is a timer that rings when we become worm food. That we are even aware of our own existence is a fluke of science that would be cruel but for the fact that cruelty is a delusion that necessitates a belief in God.

They are "truly moral free riders" because they try to use morality, which at its core mandates a belief in a higher power, to persuade others to buy into their point of view.
2 posted on 03/13/2005 10:02:14 AM PST by Ragnorak
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To: Ragnorak
The word morals simply means customs. It derives from the Latin. With shared morals a community can be cohesive and expect compliance. The strength of Judeo Christian moral tradition is not only that it is based on revealed text but also that very bright people have studies, refined, and transmitted the tradition over centuries.

by contrast the American justics system cannot agree what the law is, so how can anyone obey it?

4 posted on 03/13/2005 10:22:57 AM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: Ragnorak
Good morning.

Your post is nothing but sanctimonious BS. I stopped believing in God when I was a child. Does that make me an immoral man? I do my best to minimize the harm I do these days and I do my best to not judge other's failings (not successfully, I'm afraid to say),but you say I am not moral because I don't believe in a supreme being.

If I were religious I would say that hypocrisy is a sin. You are being hypocritical when you say that atheists try to use morality to persuade others to buy into their point of view when you are doing the same thing.

Define morality for us. If you say a belief in a deity is the basis of morality then tell us which deity. I say one's actions define one's morality not whether they feel the need for a supreme power.


Michael Frazier
6 posted on 03/13/2005 10:51:19 AM PST by brazzaville (No surrender,no retreat. Well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: Ragnorak
All morality stems originally from a belief in God.

Do you think that sex with children is wrong? Is this in the Bible?

11 posted on 03/13/2005 11:06:19 AM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: Ragnorak
How do you know abortion, slavery, pedophilia, genocide,human sacrifice are wrong when not only does the Bible not condemn them, it actually encourages them (See Hosea 13, Exodus 21, Numbers 31 and the whole book of Joshua for example)

Plus if not being religious makes you immoral how do you explain

1) Atheist/Agnostic are ~15% of the population yet make up just  0.2% of the prison population

2) From 1991 to 2001, The Number of the non-religious doubled in number while at the same time the number calling themselves Christians declined by 10% this decline in Christianity is especially seen in young people.

Yet the even though the younger generations are the most unchristian violent crime rate has declined through this period, as well as The pregnancy rate for unmarried women has continuously declined through the 1990s and the abortion rate dropped by about 25 percent for both married and unmarried women through the 1990s , The teen Pregnancy Rate Reached a Record Low, More Teenagers are saying no to sex and Drug use by teenagers continues to decline.

If lack of religion caused those things, Then why as there are more & more non-religious people are those things in decline instead of increasing

3) Born Again Christians are just as likely to divorce as are Non-Christians

36 posted on 03/13/2005 2:23:22 PM PST by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: Ragnorak

"They are "truly moral free riders" because they try to use morality, which at its core mandates a belief in a higher power, to persuade others to buy into their point of view."

They have actually reinvented morality to support to their immorality. To them, it is immoral of conservatives to "force" traditional morals on them. Yet they still have immunity from their new morality because it suits their agenda when they get California taxpayers to pay for embryonic stem cell research, thus "forcing" their (im)morality on us conservatives.

My conclusion: They must believe that by killing our own young we will obtain immortality through medical advances and never have to stand before God.


44 posted on 03/13/2005 3:37:21 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian ( Most people believe they don't have to answer to God. ><BCC>)
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