Posted on 03/09/2005 9:47:25 AM PST by qam1
That make sense. Maybe in a larger church (which my church, with an average of 200-250 in attendance), a normative dress code does "create a feeling of familiarity". You usually know who the "newbies" are.
Then the Pharisees and scribes asked Him, "Why do Your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashed hands?"
He answered and said to them, "Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: 'This people honors Me with their lips, But their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.'"
Yeah, you *say* you worship God, but your actions say that your worldly neighbors' idea of funeral wear is more important than the Biblical example of sackcloth.
Sadly, yes, today many people try to outdo each other by wearing and speaking like the lowest of the low, the crudest of the crude, and convicted criminals. Instead of calling others "elitists" or "snobs",people who don't think that dressing inappropriately is bad,should wonder just why it is they have little to no respect for themselves.Comfort and how much something costs has nothing at all to do with the debasement and inappropriateness of dress.
Tamar1973 wrote: "I worship G-d of course. However, it seems to me that the "jeans anyplace, anytime, crowd" is much more beholden to the culture that those who dress more appropriately for whatever the occasion demands of them. It seems to me that in this day and age, it is more "counter culture" to wear a dress or suit to church than to wear jeans. (It certainly would be at Chena's Church)"
Once again, Tamar1973, you have lied about what I have said, or how I feel. I find that not only rude and insulting, but sinful. You also don't know a thing about my church, or how our congregation dresses. Many of us dress up for church, and many of us don't. But you know what? We all worship God without caring about what the person next to us is wearing. We come clean and hopefully pure of heart. You also don't know how it would feel to wear a dress at 50 below zero! Get off your pedestal or God might just kick it out from under you.
I don't know where you buy your clothes,but there are dress pants which wear well and do last as long,if not longer,than dungarees. And "best" is a word used to describe one's good/dressy clothes, not those that last the longest.
The people who wear jeans to a funeral are the one's who care more about themselves than their neighbors. When one dresses appropriately for the occasion, one is showing true love and kindess for G-d and their neighbor.
How predictable. Anytime someone says that G-d has standards, you throw out the ad hominem "pharisee" label at them to see if you can say it loud enough and often enough to make it stick.
Having standards doesn't make one a Pharisee.
Having worldly standards and claiming they're from God does make one a Pharisee.
No,it doesn't. You don't understand the meaning of "Pharisee" at all.
Do not let your adornment be merely outward -- arranging the hair, wearing gold, or putting on fine apparel -- rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God. -- I Peter 3:3,4
God doesn't ask for 'dressy' clothes, apparently.
You don't understand Mark 7:1-23 at all.
I remember once when we were on a vacation with my grandparents and we wanted to go to a church in the area for Sunday worship. At first we thought that maybe we shouldn't go because we didn't have our Sunday clothes with us, but grandma reminded us that God didn't care about such things. And my grandma was a devoted Christian, and as always, right about just about everything.
Savonarola,Cromwell, and you are in complete agreement on this; doesn't make it correct,but it is a fact. LOL
The Bible doesn't have anything at all to say about what to wear to the opera,which does happen to be the actual topic of this thread.
ROTFLOL...yes, I do,but you don't and you certainly don't live your life by any of the scriptures.If you did,you wouldn't post as you do.
May I ask you a question? If someone attends your church in something other than a dress (a woman, of course..lol) are you offended? Do you believe God is offended? I sure can't understand why someone would be, and I don't believe for a minute that God is. I worked for an elderly woman last summer who always wore slacks to church. Sometimes she had to scrub the dirt off her hands from working in her flowerbeds real quick before getting to church on time. My point has been in this thread, that we, mortal people, should not be judging others, nor their relationship with the Lord, based on what they wear to church. Many a farmer has shown up in church in his jeans, clean of course, but still...they were his jeans. And the fact that he did so, does not make him any less worthy of God's love. IMO.
I am the one who said you'd make a good Pharisee, and you flatter yourself if you think I said because you dress up for church. I have no problem with those who don the "business casual" for church, or those churches where it's expected.
I called you a pharisee (rightly) because in your ignorance you insulted me, my family, my pastor and my entire church, because we worship in denim. You don't know me, my family my pastor or my church, but in your legalistic arrogance you had the gall to say that we don't respect God. You're damned skippy I called you on it, and I'll keep calling you on it.
Then how you dress for church would seem to be more a matter of respect for the congregation - the Church - than for God.
I'm not picking I swear, just asking. Having read that post in it's entirety, I have to ask: Do you feel chronologically displaced? You strike me as one of those poeple who truly laments not being born sometime in the past.
You sure do seem to be taking a lot of heat tonight for wearing appropriate clothes on Sunday. I just wanted you to know that I admire you for taking that heat with class.
"You sure do seem to be taking a lot of heat tonight for wearing appropriate clothes on Sunday. I just wanted you to know that I admire you for taking that heat with class."
I do believe you two must have something more in common than words on this thread. Tamar1973's responses have been anything but classy. She has been rude and personally insulting in her quest to prove a point. I don't mind someone having a difference of opinion, I respect that. But I do mind someone insulting people just because she disagrees with their viewpoint.
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