Posted on 03/09/2005 9:47:25 AM PST by qam1
You are making broad comparisons between several different points that have been made by several different people. I know that I, for one, never said that I "don't believe that God's word has anything to say about what to wear and when to wear it, or that the Bible has any standards for your lives". Anyone can open up the Bible and play what I refer to as "Bible Bingo" in their attempts to come up with some quote that can be interpreted in such a way as to support any given argument.
And I never said I thought it was o.k. for people to go to church dirty....or "white" (unclean) as you put it.
Perhaps you aren't trying to be insulting, but IMO, you are being terribly insulting to those who don't agree with your particular religious beliefs. God loves all of those who believe and worship Him. I do not believe you are any better than the rest of us in spite of what you might think.
Remind me to NEVER ask you for film and opera and theatre recommendations. LOL
Damn straight for the 501's.
Since moving up to the Pacific Northwest I've become accustomed to the "formal" side of jeans: a nice pair of 501's, a solid-color (anything but white) dress shirt or fine tee-shirt (depending on the weather), and a jacket--a good, plain white or black blazer will do.
I'm goin' to be so out-of-place moving back to OKC....
Well, I find it terribly insulting when people who dress like "slobs" claim that those of us who dress respectfully in G-d's house are "pharisees" and that because you wear jeans to church that your heart automatically is more pure, unmaterialistic and right w/ G-d than the guy next to you who cared enough to dress respectfully for the occasion.
I also find it insulting to me that you think people who dress nicely in G-d's house think they are "better than the rest of us". It's elitist enough to make you gag.
I think that might be the real reason you find it a more spiritual experience. It's a smaller church where "everybody knows your name". That will almost always make one feel more connected w/ others and with G-d.
Actually,people began to wear jeans to the theatre in '73. This was when the hippie influence drove some people to dress inappropriately and it's been downhill ever since,with the lowest common denominator supplanting what had always been an upwardly striving momentum. In the Middle Ages and again during the Renaissance, kings and/or governments passed sumptuary laws, forbidding all but the highest segments of society from wearing certain materials and styles.And until the last few decades,people's aspirations for betterment of themselves and their position,had them emulating what was once called "their betters".
It is only in recent history (and no,Marie Antoinette's sometimes predilection for wearing a "sheperdess's dress",doesn't count !),that many people wear clothing that either is that of convicted criminals, IN JAIL,or that of the lowest of low rung workers,as an all around uniform.
"I think that might be the real reason you find it a more spiritual experience. It's a smaller church where "everybody knows your name". That will almost always make one feel more connected w/ others and with G-d."
Amen, sister!!!!!!
"Well, I find it terribly insulting when people who dress like "slobs" claim that those of us who dress respectfully in G-d's house are "pharisees" and that because you wear jeans to church that your heart automatically is more pure, unmaterialistic and right w/ G-d than the guy next to you who cared enough to dress respectfully for the occasion.
I also find it insulting to me that you think people who dress nicely in G-d's house think they are "better than the rest of us". It's elitist enough to make you gag."
I NEVER said that someone who chooses to dress up for church is a Pharisee! I NEVER said that those who wear jeans, or any other casual attire, is more pure, unmaterialistic and right than someone who chooses to wear something fancier. I have only said that someone who worships in jeans, etc., shouldn't be judged by other people in the congregation based on their clothing, which is what you are doing. You've been judging people, not me. I could never be considered an "elitist". That is so absurd that anyone who knows of me and my family would laugh their head off at what you just said. sheesh!
Might help if I paid attention to what I was cheering.
Amen to "I also find it insulting to me that you think people who dress nicely in G-d's house think they are "better than the rest of us". It's elitist enough to make you gag."
Define "best," using Scripture. I want specific fabrics, cuts and styles. I want to know that you're making your distinctions based on God's standards, not worldly man-made ones.
So far, you've basically got "wear sackcloth to a funeral." Do you wear sackcloth to funerals?
Kind of ironic that at one time, if you tried to dress better than "your station" you could be thrown in jail for it. Despite that, people often did dress as "their betters" because they wanted to be seen more respectibly. Now people seem to revel and compete between themselves to dress as slovenly as possible in as many places as possible. What a shame.
But I don't wear JEANS to a funeral either. I wear black, which is what THIS culture expects of one who goes to a house of mourning.
I do not understand why you are personally insulting me. How can I, who is saying that we shouldn't judge others on their appearance be accused of being arrogant?
Which one do you worship, God or "culture"?
It used to be common knowledge that people behaved differently, depending upon what they wore. There were school clothes, play clothes, and dress-up/party/church clothes for children and comparable ones for adults. And this was a time,when people did NOT own ,many clothes (even those in the upper middle class and above !); unlike today.
Perhaps. Maybe the social strictures of dress code a large churches are to create a feeling of familiarity that occurs in a smaller congregation without it.
My best clothes are those that last the longest. They are stiched securely and made of fabric that doesn't tear easily. In terms of pants, this means jeans. I've never, ever had a pair of dress pants that would stay in good condition as long as a pair of jeans, assuming equal duration of wear.
I worship G-d of course. However, it seems to me that the "jeans anyplace, anytime, crowd" is much more beholden to the culture that those who dress more appropriately for whatever the occasion demands of them. It seems to me that in this day and age, it is more "counter culture" to wear a dress or suit to church than to wear jeans. (It certainly would be at Chena's Church)
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