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Retailers want 16-hour trucker workday (Walmart)
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/08/trucker.rules.ap/index.html ^ | 3-9-05

Posted on 03/09/2005 7:44:05 AM PST by TXBSAFH

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To: Kretek
"What is involved in the CDL and Hazmat tests? (genuinely curious)"

Take everything you know about having a auto drivers license and then go industrial. The transportation industry is very heavily regulated and the driver must know and be aware of the Fed. Hwy Regs. Much more involving safety such as rig inspections, brakes, tires, air systems etc.
Then as this discussion has shown a thorough understanding of the "hours of service or operation" which entails direct drive time, time off, actual sleeping time off, time off in between drive times.

Besides the Fed regs most states also have their own regs pertaining to vehicle length, allowable weights, allowable weights over axle, allowable weights over axle over different bridges, laws regarding tandem trailers, different drivers licenses for different classes of vehicles and or vehicle trailer combinations, load shifts and blocking bracing loads, what to do at a rail crossing etc. There are other matters of law of which the driver must be aware pertaining to liability, insurance, bills of lading and the contractual obligations attached to them, overage, shortages and damages. The driver may or may not be directly or indirectly for matters pertaining to multistate vehicle registration, IFTA or the International fuel tax matters and the sharing of fuel tax revenues based on the mileage driven in each state which must be recorded.....to top it off he has to randomly pee in a cup and assure the law he isn't doing drugs.

A hazmat endorsement, or endorsement to haul materials deemed by the DOT to be hazardous materials requires a knowledge of a hazardous material description on the shipping paper and it must be done properly as in proper shipping name, hazard class, UN id number, packing group and technical name if required. Awareness of markings on package and hazard label on package....all this info must be consistent and match up. There is a number assigned to each hazard class and driver needs to know what each is ....3= flammable, 8= corrosive etc. These same classes appear on the placards which are applied to the outside of the vehicle when certain amounts are carried. Under still more rules the UN ID number may also have to be displayed in association hazard class on the placard.

All this and more are spelled out in 49CFR (code of federal regulations)
and by statute in USC49.
181 posted on 03/09/2005 8:36:08 PM PST by Smartaleck
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To: Smartaleck
A hazmat endorsement, or endorsement to haul materials deemed by the DOT to be hazardous materials requires a knowledge of a hazardous material description on the shipping paper and it must be done properly as in proper shipping name, hazard class, UN id number, packing group and technical name if required. Awareness of markings on package and hazard label on package....all this info must be consistent and match up. There is a number assigned to each hazard class and driver needs to know what each is ....3= flammable, 8= corrosive etc. These same classes appear on the placards which are applied to the outside of the vehicle when certain amounts are carried. Under still more rules the UN ID number may also have to be displayed in association hazard class on the placard.

Yes. I used to pack those packages and prepare the shipping papers, from the shipper's end, as part of my first professional chemistry job. 'Course, I forgot most of it by now...And the regs likely change on a random basis..!

As for the rest - that's a lot to know! I'm sure that there's a practical side, truck handling and so forth.

182 posted on 03/09/2005 9:00:19 PM PST by Kretek
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To: ikka
My brother runs a small trucking company in a niche business (certain kinds of refrigerated stuff). If the delivery is to WalMart the price goes up at least 20% take it or leave it, due to the crap they pull when he goes to their warehouse.

Pretty soon Meskin truck lines are gonna have all your brother's Wal-Mart biz.
Free market, ya know.

183 posted on 03/09/2005 11:55:05 PM PST by ppaul
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To: dead

Jimmy Hoffa is turning over in his grave. I can see it now - Walmart brings back putting out cigars and cigarette butts on driver's knuckles to keep drivers awake at the wheel..

The free market got us to a position in this country where Drivers don't have to do this crap. And once again, corporate America is trying to legislate it's way around the market - just as with trade and the illegals. How much of this crap do we have to put up with before someone gets genuinely enraged?!
Our forefathers had common sense. Where's ours!


184 posted on 03/10/2005 1:30:25 AM PST by Havoc (Reagan was right and so was McKinley. Down with free trade. Hang the traitors high)
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To: ppaul
That is fine with him; he gets enough business from other sources.

Wal-Mart gives you an appointment time and that is when they will unload you. Even if you are there earlier and they have the personnel, they will NOT unload you, period. If you miss the appointment time, they refuse the shipment, period. So either you get there early and have to wait around, or get there late and lose. Very few other companies do this.

Wal-Mart charges the trucker money to unload. They will allow you to use their hand-operated pallet jack, but if you want them to use their powered equipment you pay between $30 per skid for small shipments to about $150 to unload the full trailer.

Prediction: almost any trucking company that gets a lot of WMT business will go under or have severe financial crisis a few years afterwards.

185 posted on 03/10/2005 3:14:59 AM PST by ikka
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To: Kretek

Yes a lot has changed. The trucker as the cowboy of old is not more. For the most part these guys are professionals and have much more responsibilities.

When you have to travel 700 miles to make a delivery time with WalMart at 9:00am there isn't much leeway to goof off. Miss your appointment and you may end up spending two day doing nothing and not getting paid for it.

Random drug testing has knocked out a lot of the bad drivers.

Several states see out of state drivers as a source of easy revenue and do random truck inspections or write stupid citations. The thinking is, write the ticket for just enoungh money that it's not worth coming from out of state to go to court and contest it.

Conversely, hazmat violations can be $32,000 for each violation for each day it exists. ...A truck can be idled until a correction is made......brakes fixed, new tire whatever.


186 posted on 03/10/2005 3:36:17 AM PST by Smartaleck
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To: Smartaleck

What world do you live in? People get paid for not working all the time. Government officials, sports figures, bureaucrats, mid-level managers, Hollywood actors...and they're usually making an ungodly sum of money in the process... So if my boss is forcing me to work 16 hour days, he can foot the bill for the two hour nap that makes it all possible.


187 posted on 03/10/2005 5:51:40 AM PST by Rutles4Ever (Warning: may eat own)
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To: Smartaleck
There's a shortage of qualified drivers right now. Random drug tests have weeded out many former drivers. But you knew that right?

Yes, forgive me. I must be thinking about all the paid-for driver's licenses floating around - I call it "the new coke".

188 posted on 03/10/2005 5:56:22 AM PST by Rutles4Ever (Warning: may eat own)
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To: Rutles4Ever

"What world do you live in? People get paid for not working all the time."

And it costs the economy greatly. Do you expect to be paid for your 8 hours of sleep at night too?


189 posted on 03/10/2005 6:33:27 AM PST by Smartaleck
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To: Rutles4Ever

"Yes, forgive me. I must be thinking about all the paid-for driver's licenses floating around"

How many?


190 posted on 03/10/2005 6:34:28 AM PST by Smartaleck
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To: Smartaleck

People who are required to be in such-and-such a place pending the start of actual work are paid to do so all the time -- it called "being on call".


191 posted on 03/10/2005 6:42:25 AM PST by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: steve-b

"People who are required to be in such-and-such a place pending the start of actual work are paid to do so all the time -- it called "being on call"."

Transportation industry doesn't go by the same labor laws.

They're paid for miles driven for the most part. On a 2000 mile trip they're techinically on call the whole time, but aren't paid as such. If a driver is held over from the "usual" trip time he would be paid for his hold over time, motel bill whatever but not paid for not driving per se.

If someone were paid to not drive where is the incentive to drive?


192 posted on 03/10/2005 6:54:22 AM PST by Smartaleck
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To: Smartaleck

If I have to sleep at my office, I would.


But I see your point.


193 posted on 03/10/2005 7:08:03 AM PST by Rutles4Ever (Warning: may eat own)
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To: Smartaleck
How many?

How many you want?

194 posted on 03/10/2005 7:08:48 AM PST by Rutles4Ever (Warning: may eat own)
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To: ikka
Prediction: almost any trucking company that gets a lot of WMT business will go under or have severe financial crisis a few years afterwards.

Can you say "NAFTA."

195 posted on 03/10/2005 7:20:07 AM PST by ppaul
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To: traviskicks
This way of thinking is (IMO) problematic and reflective of the differences in our viewpoints. So many things are nowadays construed as 'legal privilages' that we hardly have any rights left.

Very sad.
At any time, anyone of us can be hauled before a magistrate and jailed for some infraction, and our "privilege" taken away without a jury trial. And, they call it "due process."

196 posted on 03/10/2005 7:26:51 AM PST by ppaul
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To: ppaul

Yea, and unfortunately on this 'conservative' forum there are only a handfull that agree with us. For some reason I got a lot of replies for what I wrote on the beginning of this thread and almost all have been negative. :(


197 posted on 03/10/2005 8:38:20 AM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/foundingoftheunitedstates.htm)
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To: Rutles4Ever

False CDL's "How many?
How many you want?"

What percent on the road right now?


198 posted on 03/10/2005 2:31:54 PM PST by Smartaleck
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To: houeto
Trucks comprise 4% of the total number of vehicles and are involved in 13% of the fatalities.

Apples and oranges. You have to compare number of total miles or total man-hours driven.

199 posted on 03/14/2005 3:57:31 PM PST by M. Thatcher
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To: ppaul

Soo true!

Many truck drivers have agreed with me the only thing we wish was different about the new rules was the times we stopped to eat or take a rest break, would not come off the 14 hrs we had to work for the day.

There is already a RULE in place to extend the drivers work day by 2 hrs. Wal*Mart and (R)Boozman are getting a bum rap here on this.

When we start our day on duty we have 14 hrs to eat, drive, potty break, stop to load or unload, shower, fuel, do the paper work etc. and in that time cannot drive over 11 hrs.

Go figure.............. most of us never get close to driving 11 hrs. One day last week I had driven 221 miles for the day, sat in my truck most of the time, waiting. I then had to take my mandatory 10 hr lay over. I sure got plenty of rest that day.

Wal*Mart has NEVER asked me to do anything against the rules.

I have seen lots of auto drivers I believed to be asleep at the wheel and car wrecks I wish I could forget.

Hey, I'm all for making more $ and working less, but the new rules cause me to have to work another day to make the $ I was making following the OLD RULES.

I can always find something else to do after I've had my 6 or 7 hrs sleep. My truck may will be a little cleaner. LOL!

Just wanted to put in my thoughts on this.






200 posted on 03/14/2005 7:57:41 PM PST by Mr.Pilgrim
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