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I usually disagree with Krugman, and sometimes find him disingenuous and tendentious, but I agree with each and every word he wrote in this Op Ed piece.

Credit Card companies know the risks when they extend credit, and induce the spendtrift who don't read the fine print to get sucked into the quicksand. BK and a fresh start is not only something I think if fundamentally moral and right, but it also is the only real curb there is on credit card companies just going hog wild, and leading some folks into lifelong peonage as Krugman would put it.

I am a Republican, and if I were in the Senate, I would have been the sole Pubbie to vote no on cloture with respect to this turkey.

1 posted on 03/08/2005 2:54:24 PM PST by Torie
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Ditto.

I even wrote Krugman to tell him so.

I hope the Republicans are pleased with themselves--they are going to pay a huge political price for this down the line.

3 posted on 03/08/2005 2:57:24 PM PST by cicero's_son
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I don't think I agree with Krugman on anything much less his take on revolving credit worthiness....you play you pay.


4 posted on 03/08/2005 2:58:09 PM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero.)
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Do you think this will have an effect on housing prices? Maybe people will cut back on the amount they are willing to borrow?


5 posted on 03/08/2005 2:59:18 PM PST by ikka
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Individuals are responsible for their own actions. NO ONE is forced to use a credit card. I know, because my own brother got into this kind of trouble, and I bailed him out. This is just more of the same from Krugman.


6 posted on 03/08/2005 3:05:20 PM PST by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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Warren Buffet is again over the top and a little hypocritical, after all he has made billions shorting the dollar while he gloom and dooms the american economy down.

Still severe bankruptcy reform is a very bad idea for Republicans to be promoting; I thought Enron etc taught them something about how all strata of society try to avoid paying their bills when they can.

Also its easy to be in favor of bankruptcy reform if you are a Senator from states like Texas, Florida, and some others now where it is impossible to collect debts anyway.


9 posted on 03/08/2005 3:13:14 PM PST by stan_sipple
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Not discussed is the fact that TORT issues are largely what made medical care so costly. Sorry you agree with "everything" here.


10 posted on 03/08/2005 3:17:19 PM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (ATTN. MARXIST RED MSM: I RESENT your "RED STATE" switcheroo using our ELECTORAL MAP as PROPAGANDA!)
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...over the past three decades the lives of ordinary Americans have become steadily less secure, and their chances of plunging from the middle class into acute poverty ever larger.

Second rate drivel from a third rate hack.

11 posted on 03/08/2005 3:21:04 PM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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Credit Card companies know the risks when they extend credit..."

As do adults when they sign the contracts .

...and induce the spendthrift who don't read the fine print to get sucked into the quicksand.

They don't cause the spendthrift to get into debt - the spendthrift alone decides that.

12 posted on 03/08/2005 3:21:08 PM PST by secretagent
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Credit Card companies know the risks when they extend credit, and induce the spendtrift who don't read the fine print to get sucked into the quicksand.

If you rent the money, you gotta return it.

They don't read the fine print?
Stupidity has always been a capital crime.

I know it's hard. When I was younger I dug myself in so deeply it took years to dig out, but I owed the money.

So9

15 posted on 03/08/2005 3:22:56 PM PST by Servant of the 9 (Trust Me)
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I don't know the details of this, but it is probably a very bad idea. I'd remind all my brother and sister freepers that Bankruptcy protection is in the Constitution. I don't know what we are going to do with people who can neither pay nor discharge their debts. But I do know the protection to file bankruptcy was put in the Constitution by our founders because they had seen the useless hell of debtor's prisons in the old country.

Maybe W will break out the veto pen, but I think he is allergic to it.


24 posted on 03/08/2005 3:31:14 PM PST by jocon307 (Vote George Washington for the #1 spot)
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It's a tough bill. You know, it almost makes me think that it might have been the creditors (and not the debtors) who won last November.

And isn't it fitting that it should be our national political leaders who sense that the time has come for Americans to understand that we just can't go on spending more than we're bringing in? ;-)

25 posted on 03/08/2005 3:33:17 PM PST by Scenic Sounds (Sí, estamos libres sonreír otra vez - ahora y siempre.)
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wHY CAN'T CREDIT CARD COMPANIES BE HAPPY WITH 30 CENTS ON THE DOLLAR, JUST LIKE BUYERS OF aRGENTINE bONDS?


27 posted on 03/08/2005 3:37:15 PM PST by SURI
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I personally think that there is a huge debt problem in this country, but that it is only 50% the fault of the credit card companies. Are their tactics manipulative and underhanded, designed to prey upon the young, stupid and poor? Yes, yes they are. But no one is forced to take on credit card debt. I think the industry needs to be regulated in a fair and just way, but also that the American consumer needs a better education about personal finances and personal responsibility. Why do our schools spend a year teaching algebra to students who will never figure out how to balance a checkbook?


34 posted on 03/08/2005 3:55:12 PM PST by LiveBait
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I don't believe you can legally force people into CH 13 because of the prohibition against indentured servitude.


38 posted on 03/08/2005 4:07:18 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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I often feel out of touch with much of America. I don't drink, smoke, watch network telelvision or go to movies but I think sometimes my biggest difference is I don't owe anybody anything. I have credit cards and I use them because that's about the only way to shop online or get automotive work done but I pay them in full every month. If I can't afford to pay them in full, I don't use them

It is remarkably liberating to do without many things including debt.

47 posted on 03/08/2005 4:29:05 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopeckne is walking around free)
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how interesting.... especially considering it was Republicans who helped to repeal or over-ride old anti-loan sharking bills to help states get into the legal loansharking business via credit card companies. the history of the whole thing is quite interesting, especially considering my own ex-con, ex-gevornor, ex-represenative - William Janklow(R) got the ball rolling right here in SD w/ citabank. why? because SD was the only state (or one of only a very few) who had no loan shark laws.


48 posted on 03/08/2005 4:31:29 PM PST by sdpatriot (remember waco and ruby ridge)
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Well, if you were in the Senate, you could count on my vote for "anyone but Torie". Personal responsibility, financial and otherwise, has to be flogged back in people, if need be (and there IS a huge need for it).
Centuries ago there were debtors' prisons, and before that the institution of debt slavery, even extending to debtor's family. Not that there were no bad debtors at that time - there were, but the notion of responsibility, buttressed by real penalties for failure - was much deeper rooted, to the point of being unquestionable.
49 posted on 03/08/2005 4:34:05 PM PST by GSlob
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This entire article is sobby disingenuousness.
56 posted on 03/08/2005 4:50:34 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny (“I know a great deal about the Middle East because I’ve been raising Arabian horses" Patrick Swazey)
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The Debt-Peonage Society

Debt is incurred voluntarily. Peonage and serfdom were not. Another dumbass Krugman column.

65 posted on 03/08/2005 6:30:19 PM PST by dirtboy (Drooling moron since 1998...)
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The credit card companies say this is needed because people have been abusing the bankruptcy law, borrowing irresponsibly and walking away from debts. The facts say otherwise.

"Borrowing irresponsibly"? Uhh, I'm sorry, did something change when I wasn't looking and make the granting of credit automatic? It still takes two to tango, and the credit card companies - which gleefully pocketed billions of dollars in total late fees after the mail disruptions caused by 9/11 and anthrax - are in no position to complain about "irresponsibility." Pot, meet kettle.

67 posted on 03/08/2005 7:10:50 PM PST by Kretek
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