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Opinion: Apple -- Here to Stay
MacCentral ^ | March 08, 2005 | Don Tennant

Posted on 03/08/2005 12:06:04 PM PST by r5boston

Nearly a decade ago, just a few months after Microsoft shipped Windows 95, I asked Bill Gates if it was a conscious decision in the development of that product to give Windows more of a Mac look and feel. Of course I knew he'd say it wasn't, but I couldn't resist asking. "There was no goal even to compete with Macintosh," Gates proclaimed. "We don't even think of Macintosh as a competitor."

That was a crock, so I pressed the issue a little. I asked him how he accounted for the widespread perception that Windows 95 looked a lot like Mac 88, and whether the similarity was just a coincidence. I didn't expect a sobbing confession of mimicry, but I thought it would be cool to see how he'd respond. Surprisingly enough, Gates shifted gears and became more forthcoming.

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To: HAL9000

Any numbers if you remove the iPod income ?

As far as quantity goes, I believe if you add up every Apple EVER sold it dosen't reach the number of PCs sold last quarter alone.


861 posted on 03/16/2005 1:09:58 PM PST by RS (Keeping them honest since 1998)
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To: Last Visible Dog
The Creative Nomad battery is really replaceable - the top pops open and you can go to Best Buy and get a new one

Or the top pops open when you don't want it to and there's nothing holding your battery in. It's funny you mentioned the cover, because broken battery covers are a very common Nomad complaint -- a problem the iPod cannot have due to its design.

This is exactly one of the design trade-offs I mentioned earlier. Nomad: Easily replaceable battery, easily broken battery cover. iPod: Harder to replace battery, no battery cover to break. The iPod is more durable, an important feature on a portable music player.

862 posted on 03/16/2005 1:13:59 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Petronski
None of LSD's statements listed in my most recent two posts were true at the time he made them.

How many times do you want me to rub your nose in this?

Was it Apple's policy to tell users to buy a new Ipod when the battery goes? YES!

Was it Apple's policy to charge $250 to change the battery in the Ipod? YES!

Does the Ipod Support WMV format? NOPE, NEVER DID.

As for your claim that the Ipod supports WMV, you just have to convert it to AAC! That is complete nonsense that makes about as much sense as stating a VHS VCR supports the BETA format if you convert the tape to the VHS format.

Clue for the Clueless: If you convert a WMV file to AAC, it is no longer a WMV file.

LOL!

Not to mention converting a compressed file to another compression format degrades the quality of the file.

On every issue you are wrong. My statements were correct and I provided supporting evidence. You have provided zero supporting evidence - just troll snipes from the sidelines.

You are clearly not too bright or you are just blinded by rage. I presented my statements as reasons why I did not chose to buy an Ipod - Apple's policies are some of the reasons I did not buy an Ipod - everything I stated was an Apple policy at sometime - that was the point. BTW: I bought my MP3 player last December, Bozo, I believe they changed their policy this year.

Give it up, you are just making a fool out of yourself now.

863 posted on 03/16/2005 1:19:40 PM PST by Last Visible Dog
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To: Last Visible Dog
You can not write to an EPROM within a computer. In a computer, an EPROM is Read-Only Memory. You are wrong.

It doesn't matter. The chip is writable, period. Only one type of chip is read-only, and that's a ROM. If you were right I could tell you my EEPROM USB key is a ROM because I flipped the write-protect switch. Usage and accessibility doesn't change what it is.

864 posted on 03/16/2005 1:20:26 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Last Visible Dog
Does the Ipod Support WMV format? NOPE, NEVER DID.

YES!!!! Finally, something all here agree on!

865 posted on 03/16/2005 1:23:09 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
Or the top pops open when you don't want it to and there's nothing holding your battery in.

That is not how it works on my model. Which model are you talking about?

It's funny you mentioned the cover, because broken battery covers are a very common Nomad complaint -- a problem the iPod cannot have due to its design.

There are many devices in the product like. Many of the models have differant form factors - some better than others. For which model of Nomad did you see the complaints?

Please provide some supporting evidence.

866 posted on 03/16/2005 1:26:25 PM PST by Last Visible Dog
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To: Last Visible Dog
That is complete nonsense that makes about as much sense as stating a VHS VCR supports the BETA format if you convert the tape to the VHS format.

Not really, because that conversion takes conscious effort and a lot of hassle, not to mention video tape cost. When you install iTunes, you can point it to a place where you're holding all of your current music to import it into iTunes. If you let it, it'll convert all the WMA files it finds on the fly. Total hassle to you: a few more seconds or minutes of import time, depending on various factors. A newbie user might not even know what's really happening -- all he knows is that all of his WMP-ripped songs play on his iPod.

While degradation will happen, it will not likely be noticeable to most, especially since AAC is a superior format.

867 posted on 03/16/2005 1:29:14 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
It doesn't matter. The chip is writable, period.

No it is not. An EPROM in a computer IS NOT WRITABLE - Period - End of Story.

In a computer, an EPROM is Read-Only Memory - one can not write to an EPROM in a computer.

868 posted on 03/16/2005 1:29:20 PM PST by Last Visible Dog
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To: antiRepublicrat
the overwhelming majority of computer users don't even consider the Mac a viable computer.

You state that as if it were a conscious value decision. The majority of computer users think "Windows" = "Computer" and "Explorer" = "World Wide Web." The terms are synonymous, so when they go to buy a computer, they buy Windows.

Yes. My statement contained - GASP! - spin used in reply to Apple spin. Quick - contact the Press!

869 posted on 03/16/2005 1:32:50 PM PST by Last Visible Dog
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To: Last Visible Dog
That is not how it works on my model. Which model are you talking about?

You read the iPod boards, I read the Creative boards and buyer comments at various online stores. As with iPod battery life, YMMV. Most battery covers haven't broken, just as most iPods are playing on their original battery. But FYI, I found such comments for the Muvo and Zen. Some are reporting the cover broken within days of purchase, others suggest keeping it in a leather carrier to protect the cover. "Flimsy" is the word I most often read.

Of course warranty would cover this as it does an iPod battery. But post-warranty I think I'd rather have to open my iPod to replace the battery than slap duct tape on my Nomad to keep the battery cover closed.

870 posted on 03/16/2005 1:38:56 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat

LOL

Maybe the fifth or sixth generation...


871 posted on 03/16/2005 1:39:24 PM PST by Petronski (If 'Judge' Greer can kill Terri, who will be next?)
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To: antiRepublicrat
But FYI, I found such comments for the Muvo and Zen

Zen is a product line. Which model(s) are you talking about? Can you provide supporting evidence for your claim?

872 posted on 03/16/2005 1:47:00 PM PST by Last Visible Dog
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To: Petronski
Sheesh. He's got me repeating his mistakes. It's WMAs, not WMVs, obviously.

Grow up Petronski, your making fun of typos game is getting really old.

873 posted on 03/16/2005 1:49:44 PM PST by Last Visible Dog
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To: antiRepublicrat
Factually true. The iPod, being a music player, does not support the Windows Media Video format. But for this discussion I'll assume you meant Windows Media Audio (WMA).

So you too what to play the juvenile "make fun of typos" game.

874 posted on 03/16/2005 1:51:58 PM PST by Last Visible Dog
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To: Last Visible Dog
In a computer, an EPROM is Read-Only Memory - one can not write to an EPROM in a computer.

My emphasis. Is that your definition? That it's impossible to write to an EPROM in a computer? Sorry, it's possible. Just open the case, flash it with the right frequency of UV for 10-20 minutes (or leave it outside in the sun for several weeks), stick electrodes on the pins and push some voltage. Tada, it's written. Not that I'd want to do that, but it is possible.

If I wanted to, I could build a computer using an EPROM to hold some data, but build in EPROM-burning circuitry and fix a switchable UV light above the chip. There you go, today's easy software EEPROM flash-memory abilities in an old EPROM chip. The flashing would just take a little longer.

"But it's not a convenient writing." Doesn't matter, it is writable. Me flipping the write-protect switch on my USB key and putting a drop of superglue on it does not change the nature of my EEPROM USB key to a ROM.

875 posted on 03/16/2005 1:58:51 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Last Visible Dog
No it is not. An EPROM in a computer IS NOT WRITABLE - Period - End of Story.

See 875.

876 posted on 03/16/2005 1:59:44 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
However, your original assertion was "and if you have any WMV [WMA] files you are SOL." That is factually wrong since iTunes will convert your WMV files to a format the iPod can read when you import your current library and transfer the resulting files to your iPod. The iPod may not play WMA, but that doesn't make someone with a WMA library "SOL" as you stated.

So you are going to repeat the nonsense too.

Let's sum up your position: The Ipod supports the WMA file format as long as the file is coded in the AAC format.

Clue for the clueless: if you convert a WMA file to AAC, it is no longer a WMA file.

If you have WMA files, you are SOL with the Ipod unless you convert the files to another format with is pretty much guaranteed to degrade the file.

Your logic is so convoluted, you are going to need a Chiropractor.

NOTE: All VHS VCR's (oh no, the apostrophe!) support the BETA format - as long as you convert the BETA tapes to VHS!

LOL

877 posted on 03/16/2005 2:03:09 PM PST by Last Visible Dog
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To: Last Visible Dog
Pick one It seems that this has been a problem with various Creative players for a long time.

What's really funny is that for all your blasting Apple for making a player with a battery that can't be removed without voiding a warranty, the Creative Zen Touch works the same way.

878 posted on 03/16/2005 2:06:49 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Last Visible Dog
So you too what to play the juvenile "make fun of typos" game.

It's only funny when you do it often. I actually overlooked it in the beginning.

879 posted on 03/16/2005 2:09:03 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
My emphasis. Is that your definition? That it's impossible to write to an EPROM in a computer? Sorry, it's possible. Just open the case, flash it with the right frequency of UV for 10-20 minutes (or leave it outside in the sun for several weeks), stick electrodes on the pins and push some voltage. Tada, it's written. Not that I'd want to do that, but it is possible.

Now you are just getting silly.

880 posted on 03/16/2005 2:11:08 PM PST by Last Visible Dog
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