[Last Visible Dog]

But FYI, I found such comments for the Muvo and Zen

Zen is a product line. Which model(s) are you talking about? Can you provide supporting evidence for your claim?

[antiRepublicrat]

Pick one It seems that this has been a problem with various Creative players for a long time.

What's really funny is that for all your blasting Apple for making a player with a battery that can't be removed without voiding a warranty, the Creative Zen Touch works the same way.