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Opinion: Apple -- Here to Stay
MacCentral ^ | March 08, 2005 | Don Tennant

Posted on 03/08/2005 12:06:04 PM PST by r5boston

Nearly a decade ago, just a few months after Microsoft shipped Windows 95, I asked Bill Gates if it was a conscious decision in the development of that product to give Windows more of a Mac look and feel. Of course I knew he'd say it wasn't, but I couldn't resist asking. "There was no goal even to compete with Macintosh," Gates proclaimed. "We don't even think of Macintosh as a competitor."

That was a crock, so I pressed the issue a little. I asked him how he accounted for the widespread perception that Windows 95 looked a lot like Mac 88, and whether the similarity was just a coincidence. I didn't expect a sobbing confession of mimicry, but I thought it would be cool to see how he'd respond. Surprisingly enough, Gates shifted gears and became more forthcoming.

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To: Swordmaker
Did you know that IBM FIRED the management of the Boca Raton Typewriter plant that produced the IBM-PC? They did not clear their project with upper management before releasing it, presenting IBM management with a fait accompli.

Just in case any reader would be tempted to believe any of your very imaginative post, I'd like to point out that there isn't any truth here.

The man who was behind the pc effort was Philip "Don" Estridge. He had nothing to do with typewriters. He was a highly valued employee (he may have been an IBM Fellow at the time). IBM Sr. management gave him a very low budget for developing a pc, because in their "wisdom", they thought the market was about 100,000 units. So Don used off the shelf components only.

And he wasn't fired, he and his wife were tragically killed in a plane crash on their way to Texas for an awards conference.

281 posted on 03/09/2005 4:52:18 PM PST by speekinout
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To: Bush2000
Seriously, where do you get your dope? I wanna party with you, cowboy...

From the news.

282 posted on 03/09/2005 4:54:50 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Bush2000
The fact remains that there isn't very much of it. Software vendors just aren't willing to stick their necks out for a company with a mere 2% of the desktop market.

You have the wrong people. The retail people don't stock for 2% of the market. If you don't see it on the shelves, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. BTW, I also can't find Photoshop on the shelves at Circuit City or Office Depot, yet it's the premiere photo editing software on the planet.

283 posted on 03/09/2005 4:57:08 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Last Visible Dog
I was at the official launch of .NET - Bill Gates was the keynote speaker - I was like two rows away from him - he was one of the most boring speakers I have ever experienced.

That's fine with me. He doesn't have the insane ego that jobs does.

I have also been at a keynote given by Steve Ballmer, energy radiates from the man - he is the Anti-BillGates.

Are you referring to the infamous Ballmer Monkey Dance?

284 posted on 03/09/2005 4:58:21 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Last Visible Dog
Do you have any data to back up that statement of did you just make it up?

You just have to read the forums. We hear everything from first generation iPods still going (as one on this thread wrote) to as little as 18 months. But it's a moot point since, as I said, batteries failing in warranty are replaced for free. Those failing after warranty can be replaced for $30 without worrying about violating a warranty that no longer exists (you seem to have a hard time grasping that concept).

285 posted on 03/09/2005 5:02:10 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Bush2000
Oh, God ... (backs away slowly with ass pinned to the wall)..

Why? Trying to conceal the Windows logo you have branded there?

286 posted on 03/09/2005 5:02:38 PM PST by LexBaird ("Democracy can withstand anything but democrats" --Jubal Harshaw (RA Heinlein))
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To: antiRepublicrat
If your iPod battery dies while under warranty, Apple will replace it for free under that warranty.

Good point.

287 posted on 03/09/2005 5:04:29 PM PST by Last Visible Dog
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To: Bush2000
I use and administer Linux boxes every day; in all likelihood, I could mop the floor with anybody you could provide.

I doubt it if they're difficult for you to administer. I still remember my first bout with administering IIS long ago. I had to wade through various dialog boxes with various settings and checkboxes to get my work done. I was wishing for a simple Apache httpd.conf file to edit -- especially when I had to mirror those IIS configuration settings on another server, which would have been a simple file copy on Linux.

288 posted on 03/09/2005 5:06:48 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
OTOH, a lot of people have been introduced to the concept of other systems by buying iPods, as lots of PC iPod buyers are switching to Mac.

Do you have any supporting evidence for this claim?

289 posted on 03/09/2005 5:07:56 PM PST by Last Visible Dog
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To: Last Visible Dog
Nomad 40GB - $239 (Amazon) - 5.97 per gigabyte Ipod 40GB - $353 (Amazon) - 8.82 per gigabyte Nomad 20GB - $249 (Amazon) - 12.45 per gigabyte Ipod 20GB - $299 (Amazon) - 14.95 per gigabyte

You sound like Intel pushers, who think that clock speed is everything in a system, forgetting several other factors that make for a good, fast system.

290 posted on 03/09/2005 5:09:01 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
And you forgot to mention they lost.

Just as Apple lost when they tried to sue Microsoft.

291 posted on 03/09/2005 5:10:06 PM PST by Last Visible Dog
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To: Last Visible Dog
The Ipod does not support WMA files AT ALL! Converting a WMA file to Apple's format makes the file no longer a WMA file and degrades the quality.

You are, of course, correct*. The best bet is to avoid WMA altogether and go with a better format such as AAC.

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* Unless you convert it to Apple's lossless format. No, not uncompressed, just lossless compressed. It's bigger than the other formats, but I could still put my 7.8 day long music collection on a 60 GB iPod in that format.

292 posted on 03/09/2005 5:18:36 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Last Visible Dog

Ignore that last bit of 285. You got it.


293 posted on 03/09/2005 5:20:31 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Last Visible Dog
Just as Apple lost when they tried to sue Microsoft.

Exactly. Going on the original post, there was legally no piracy on the part of anyone. However, the trophy for least innovation in the field of graphical user interfaces definitely goes to Microsoft. In other words, they wanted to copy, not improve and innovate based on another's idea.

To me, the clear evidence is that they started off with an inferior implementation of the idea of their predecessor (Apple) that took over a decade and four full versions to approach what they were trying to copy. Apple and Xerox both vastly improved upon the knowledge gained from their predecessors and developed innovative products that were unmatched by anything previous.

294 posted on 03/09/2005 5:32:17 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
You sound like Intel pushers, who think that clock speed is everything in a system, forgetting several other factors that make for a good, fast system

What are these other factors? The Apple logo? Name these other factors and we will do a comparison. I will help you out:

Signal to Noise Ratio:
Ipod: 98db
Nomad: 98db

Frequency Response:
Ipod: 20-20kHz
Nomad: 20-20kHz

Harmonic Distortion:
Ipod: >1%
Nomad: >1%

Show me the factors, other than the little Apple logo, where the Ipod shines.

295 posted on 03/09/2005 5:32:23 PM PST by Last Visible Dog
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To: antiRepublicrat
You are, of course, correct*. The best bet is to avoid WMA altogether and go with a better format such as AAC.

Do you have anything to back this up other than your undying love for all things Apple?

* Unless you convert it to Apple's lossless format. No, not uncompressed, just lossless compressed.

Whenever you go from one compression scheme to another you degrade the quality - it has nothing to do with lossless or not (that only applies to if the file can be reconstituted to its original form which is of very little interest in audio compression).

296 posted on 03/09/2005 5:43:48 PM PST by Last Visible Dog
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To: antiRepublicrat
To me, the clear evidence is that they started off with an inferior implementation of the idea of their predecessor (Apple) that took over a decade and four full versions to approach what they were trying to copy.

Like I said, MacHeads have the best weed.

Mac's memory management was a joke and Mac's did not do multitasking until the late 1990's - that is why the Mac has never been considered a business machine. Mac lost because they had an inferior product. Spin all you want, the computer industry does not buy the MacMythology. Numbers talk and BS walks.

297 posted on 03/09/2005 5:49:02 PM PST by Last Visible Dog
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To: Bush2000
Before we converse, which of your personalities am I addressing?

Since you've started off acting like an impudent ass, what makes you think we're going to converse?

298 posted on 03/09/2005 5:51:45 PM PST by Petronski (This is the Serengeti, heart of the Dark Continent, where Bar Codes roam free...)
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To: Last Visible Dog
Presenting the incredible journey of Last Visible Dog:

#205, 11:59 AM ET: ...or you can buy a Creative Nomad that is designed to open and uses a readily available battery.

#257, 5:10 PM ET: I made no comment about availablity.

299 posted on 03/09/2005 5:57:13 PM PST by Petronski (This is the Serengeti, heart of the Dark Continent, where Bar Codes roam free...)
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To: Last Visible Dog
Do you have anything to back this up other than your undying love for all things Apple?

You can't look up anything for yourself, can you? If you've been into digital audio as long as I have*, you'd know. AAC just sounds better at the same bitrate. For a more in-depth review, check out this article from a PC-centric site. Notice the poor sound reproduction and nasty cut-off of WMA?

Whenever you go from one compression scheme to another you degrade the quality

Nope. Whenever you compress into a lossy format you degrade the quality. Converting from WMA to a lossless format will give you exactly the same audio quality as you get playing the WMA file.

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I lived 30 minutes from the Frauenhofer institute, which created the MP3 format, and had a friend who worked there. He hooked me on to it not long after it was created, and I loved it since I was tired of only being able to choose from one CD worth of music at a time before swapping CDs.

300 posted on 03/09/2005 6:01:53 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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